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Plakias => Plakias => Topic started by: agent99 on October 12, 2007, 01:23:24 PM
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Hello everyone,
Let me introduce myself, my name is Falah Al-Jaizani and I am a partner of Fastro Developments LLP based in Manchester. Some of you have already found our company through the "worrying development" thread. I am posting to answer some of your questions and concerns regarding our development in Plakias. I will try to answer as many questions as I can, if I miss anything out please feel free to drop me a line, I will leave my details below.
1. The development consists of 432 privately owned apartments and villas within a resort environment. These will be built to a very high standard deserving the 5* tag.
2. The architects involved are world renowned for building 5* hotel resorts throughout the Meditteranean region and we are very lucky that they have taken the contract to design this resort.
3. The images you have seen so far are preliminary and will be updated in the next few week to include much more detail. The images you see now are the first draft and have not been fully rendered to include, stone type, landscaping and lifestyle e.g. people. When these are finished you will be able to "see" exactly what this resort will look like, so I ask you to reserve judgement until then.
4. The resort will include many amenities that will be available for all, such as a medical centre, restaurants, shops and health spa.
5. One of the principal partners involved in this project also are one of the largest hotel owners in Greece, with 34 5* hotels, we do NOT associate our good names with sub standard property, we DO associate ourselves with up market property and 5* service. If the apartments that have been built recently by the Norwegian company that you all find so hideous (so do I) is a Ford Escort, we are a Bentley by comparison, hence the price points.
6. Phase 1 of the project will take 2 years because the main utilities construction for the whole site will be completed during that time e.g. sewage, water, electricity etc.
7. The boundaries of the site are the telegraph pole to the right of the abandoned white property behind the road, to the road that cuts inland all the way up to the hill where the white container is from the perspective looking in land from the sea.
8. We have taken 90% of the available permitable building land in Plakias, this means that after we have finished there will be no more building in Plakias on any relevant scale.
9. Plakias is changing, and there is nothing that we can do about it. The marina is a good example of where EU money is being spent within Greece, you must ask why such a large amount of money is being spent in such an out of the way locale? The marina will be used for the fishing boats primarily allowing the town port to be used for pleasure craft. This will attract recreational yacht and power boat users to the area.
10. 23 units are now sold on phase 1 along with 5 further villas on phase three that have been reserved by the principals for their own use. It says reserved on the price lists as this follows our standard business model. A 2% non refundable deposit reserves the property, 18% on exchange of contrcats, 80% finace for the rest, when exchange of contracts takes place reserved becomes sold. The drop out rate from reserved to sold in non existant. The 80% finance is inclusive of VAT.
11. What you are seeing now regarding web sites and marketing material is only the preliminary marketing as the Plakias resort will not be officially launched until March 2008, what you are seeing now is the ealy bird campaign, that allows our clients to have first choice before general release, this is very popular as with most projects of this size the price will rise per phase release. Brochures, videos, CGI walkthroughs and an upgrade to www.plakiasresort.com will be completed over the next two months. We expect the site to be sold out by the end of 2008.
12. The demographic of the people that will buy on Plakias are wide ranging, however, the majority will be holiday home owners and investors that will rent the property to holiday makers and use it for themselves. It must be remembered that as a resort, rather than just a development, most people will stay on site as all the ameneties are within the resort itself. Plakias resort will be marketed to the Britsh market first, however, we have had enquires from Norway, Denmark and Sweden by property companies that want to market our product, as yet we have made no agreements outside of the UK. Expect families and couples for the most part from 30's to retirees who want a quiet holiday in beautiful surroundings.
13. The development will effectively double the population of Plakias during the season, which will easily be absorbed without having a negative impact on the resort due to the large amount of space currently available.
14. This devlopment will bring in a lot more money to the area that will have a very positive impact on the local economy resulting in more revenue being spent on Plakias itself by the municipality and a general upgrade of the shops and restaurants over the coming years due to their own increased revenues.
15. There is no negative feelings within the local community, far from it, the people that we have spoken to are very exited about the propesects for their village, if there is any ambivalence towards our project we have not encountered it. Ofcourse when the project is fully released to the public this will dispel any fears people may have through a lack of information.
16. Ofcourse any development of this size is going to have an impact on the community throughout construction, however, we are working to minimise any disruption by working on the exterior contruction, swimming pools, foundations and ameneties etc during the winter months and the interiors during the summer months, this is one reason that the development will take 5 years, however, should we sell out the project by the end of next year as we expect, then we will revise the delopment time down by anything up to two years, 5 years is a conservative guideline only.
There are developments that harm areas of natural beauty and there are those that compliment the surrounding area, I ask you to reserve judgement for the moment as we are firmly of the belief that we will make Plakias a better place for all. This includes those on this forum, the local residents and those that have not yet discovered Plakias. We will build a harmonious development that compliments the surrounding environment, turning a wasteland into an up market resort. We accept that there will people who will only ever accept the status quo, however, it is folly to believe that we live in a static, timeless, never changing world, however romantic those thoughts might be. We will be building 14 developments throughout Crete in the future, mostly front line beach, however, this is the jewel in the crown.
For those of you who cannot wait to see what this resort will look like, you can watch a video of a site we are building in Cyprus that will give you a general idea although Plakias will be more upmarket/better as the Cyprus development is not a resort. We will be providing a fully animated walkthrough of Plakias resort by the end of the year similar to this one, so you can see exactly what it will look like then. Go to www.fastro.co.uk log in and navigate to Cyprus, Polyxenia and download the movie.
I hope I have answered most of your questions, however, should you have any further questions please feel free to contact me or leave a message and I will do my best to answer. I hope that my responding to your concerns on this forum gives you an idea of who we are as a company and where are priorities lie, we do care about Plakias, so much so that I have reserved one of the villas for myself and my family to enjoy in the future.
Falah Al-Jaizani
Fastro Development LLP
0870 609 8044
falah@fastro.co.uk
P.S. The site was chosen a long time ago and I can assure you all that both ourselves and our Greek partners do not frequent your site, so if you find our project unpalatable, you are not to blame for its discovery.
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We DO associate ourselves with up market property and 5* service.
Yeah, well most people who go to Plakias aren't looking for that. Shabby and laid back is good. '5*' corporate luxury is bad. If we wanted to be waited on hand and foot by flunkies we'd go to all-inclusive resorts somewhere else. Looks like it's a case of making the best of it for the next couple of years and then trying to find somewhere else...
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Dear Falah,
Many thanks for your time and effort in posting this, much appreciated.
I'll save my judgement for later!
Thanks,
Paul
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Hello Mr. Al-Jaizani,
I would be interested in a map which shows the occupied areas. I wonder how this 5* thing will be integrated into the place formerly known as Plakias... Will those who live there be part of the community that used to spend their holidays in a way that is far away from this "Supercomfort-Ghettos" which I suppose your project will be. Judge later is judging too late most times.
I will not say "thank you" for destroying this place!
shinaria
BTW: the Police cancelled their gig in Düsseldorf tomorrow .... So I may have to come to the UK. Any tickets left??
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I was just thanking the chap for making an effort, he didn't have to do anything did he.
He probably knows he isn't going to make any sales here.
Judging later actually meant later (as in I am busy now) and not later (after it is built)
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Hello,
I have read your article.
Now, many hours later, because I had to think about it.
At frist we love Plakias, the quietness, the ambience and all the people which spend there holidays in Plakias.
According to your article:
My personal opinion... all things which you describe: it is only advertising and I see the direction: Time sharing.
(something like Hapimag/Damnoni)
I cannot imagine that you will sell all these "villas". We saw so many other projects in other countries
(for instance in Portugal or Spain). And today, these buildings are vacant and nobody is interested in.
Greetings from Germany,
Kerstin.
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interesting post by mr Al-Jaizani, but i think he confirms everything we have thought about the development, we are looking at another hapimag....
I'm note his comment that the 'locals population' are ' very exited ' although i'm sure this is a typo, exiting is what a great deal of people will be doing. the thought of the summer population doubling in plakias is disturbing and will drive away a lot of people. if most of this new influx are eating and drinking within the complex, i can't see that going down too well either but......
on a personal note Mr Al-Jaizani, you have saved me writing a letter or visiting your offices in Sale, i would like to know why you thought you could use one of my photographs in your little slideshow of plakias without my permission??
chris harrison
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I was just thanking the chap for making an effort, he didn't have to do anything did he.
He probably knows he isn't going to make any sales here.
Judging later actually meant later (as in I am busy now) and not later (after it is built)
Never meant to attack you, Ploppy!
I understood your reply as the reply of the forum's admin.
All the best
shinaria
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... you thought you could use one of my photographs in your little slideshow of plakias without my permission??
chris harrison
Please, let them pay for it!
shinaria
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Well if I should ever be fortunate to win the lottery I like to think I could buy the whole complex and then burn it to the ground but regrettably that will never happen. Its a nice thought though
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It is commendable that the developer has taken the trouble to provide some details of the project but I'm sure he's realised from the comments so far that it's not what the members of this forum want. We don't all like to do the same things but we do like small friendly establishments, each with their own character in a quiet resort, away from the crowds and surrounded by countryisde that's always a joy to explore, on foot or in the car. I'm sure, in this we are representative of the many visitors to Plakias who are not members of the forum.
We ay be a relatively small group of Plakias devotees but I get the feeling we're pretty much like most of the people who regularly holiday in Plakias.
8. We have taken 90% of the available permitable building land in Plakias, this means that after we have finished there will be no more building in Plakias on any relevant scale.
No more room for building more like
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Falah Al-Jaizani you have my sympathy.
Not only have you dismally failed to understand the majority of the people who use this forum but by the time you get to use your expensive villa you will have missed Plakias at its best by about 10 years.
We have all seen the effect on once delightful resorts by developments such as yours.
To try to say that it will not adversely affect Plakias is flying in the face of reality.
I just hope that you and your five star neighbours stay in your enclave and don't find a way to pollute the place to which we will have moved on.
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I'm sure he's realised from the comments so far that it's not what the members of this forum want. We don't all like to do the same things but we do like small friendly establishments, each with their own character in a quiet resort, away from the crowds and surrounded by countryisde that's always a joy to explore, on foot or in the car. I'm sure, in this we are representative of the many visitors to Plakias who are not members of the forum.
We ay be a relatively small group of Plakias devotees but I get the feeling we're pretty much like most of the people who regularly holiday in Plakias.
I think most of us will agree with these sentiments. Plakias is not about luxury, it's about a simpler way of life than we experience at home.
The comment about this development being 90% of the foreseeable development in the town may or may not be true but reminds me of the old saying "pile all the s**t in one heap". I just wish it wasn't so close to the "far end".
Mike
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I am off to buy that lottery ticket
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Many, many years ago Joni Mitchel sang:
'They killed paradise and put up a parking lot...........'
Dear Mr. Al-Jaizani,
Thank you very much for your effort trying to convince us that no harm will be done. The sad thing from your point of view is however that you are just make it worse this way. You obviously don't have a clue what we are on about. As far as I'm concerned you live on another planet. For example this quote:
'more revenue being spent on Plakias itself by the municipality and a general upgrade of the shops and restaurants over the coming years due to their own increased revenues.'
Dear Mr. Al-Jaizani, that's exactly what we don't want, no upgrade that is. The owner of one of my favourite restaurants only shaves twice a week and always has a cigarette in his hand even when he is serving our food, disgusting uhh? Certainly no 5 star We are people that have seen what an upgrade will do to what used to be nice places. They loose their character and uniqeness and become the same as all the other holidayresorts and there are more than enough of those already thank you.
One more quote:
'I hope that my responding to your concerns on this forum gives you an idea of who we are as a company and where are priorities lie, we do care about Plakias, so much so that I have reserved one of the villas for myself and my family to enjoy in the future.'
So we can relax, nothing nasty will happen and why? You will come and live here Mr. Al-Jaizani so you will make sure Plakias will stay as nice as it is. Like I said before, you live on another planet and are not even able to recognise the sort of quality that we are on about. Pity on you. And what's more and now I have to try really hard to stay polite: what is this bs about priorities? You are just here for the money and don't take me wrong, nothing wrong in that but don't give us that '......' about caring so much for Plakias that you need to bring beautiful 5 star quality to it.....Phew....
This is a good one to:
'There are developments that harm areas of natural beauty and there are those that compliment the surrounding area'
hahahahahahaha!!!!
Enough....., be assured Mr. Al-Jaizani that I respect you and don't intend to insult you but I had to say this to get it of my chest, thank you!
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Chris you are not writing about Lito from Lysseos (my favorite)? Because that would be a little embarrassing for her.
"The owner of one of my favourite restaurants only shaves twice a week and always has a cigarette in his hand even when he is serving our food, disgusting uhh?"
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Not to worry, he's definitely male!
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Well if I should ever be fortunate to win the lottery I like to think I could buy the whole complex and then burn it to the ground but regrettably that will never happen. Its a nice thought though
Wonderful idea! May I assist? Imagine all those mountainbikes... you could raise the biggest bikerental in whole greece!
burning and looting
shinaria
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Well if I should ever be fortunate to win the lottery I like to think I could buy the whole complex and then burn it to the ground but regrettably that will never happen. Its a nice thought though
Wonderful idea! May I assist? Imagine all those mountainbikes... you could raise the biggest bikerental in whole greece!
burning and looting
shinaria
I've got me lotto ticket just waiting for the draw! You can help me set up the bike rental shop and give up your day job he he! such dreams
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Clearly, the developers do not intend or want the plebeian people of Plakias in their 5* wonder-world, so hopefully, they will build a big tall wall to keep us all out.
Based on our experience of similar 5* complexes on the north coast, there will be a single access point from the main road with a 24-hour (armed?) guard to drive away we undesirables.
Perhaps the artist who decorated the harbour wall could do the honours on/to this wall, too?
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Well according to a man eating breakfast at Kostas last week (who told my informant he had been going to Plakias for over 20 years) Plakias is 'owned and run' by three wealthy Cretan businessman, who don't like outsiders making money from Plakias.
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Mr Al-Jaizani’s comments as far as I am concerned are welcome on this forum as much as anyone else’s and the fact that he's trying to put our minds at rest makes me wonder if he or any of his partners have actually spent any recreational time in Plakias, to experience the ambience of the restaurants and bars and the surrounding countryside.
Most importantly are the people who actually live there now, and who, after this development is completed must be affected by it.
That’s why the majority of visitors and locals love Plakias as it is, we accept that there will be changes and there often are, but one of this size and in this timescale, will change everything that we and the locals have come to love, share and enjoy over the years.
Just a quick thought, if this development is taking up 90% of the building development plan, it doesn’t say much for the Tektonas effort does it, or are they part of the same group??
george g...
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I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the correct thread as I have found all the proposed development plans for the town somewhat confusing.
I was hoping someone who is either there now or who has been recently can update us on what has changed since last year. For instance, has the land behind the walk to the far end seen anything of the proposed development yet? Are all the old favourite tavernas likely to be open this year? What about the new harbour to the west of the town?
I know that some forum members have visited during the winter but I guess the numbers will increase markedly once we get to the end of the month.
Mike
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I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the correct thread as I have found all the proposed development plans for the town somewhat confusing.
I was hoping someone who is either there now or who has been recently can update us on what has changed since last year. For instance, has the land behind the walk to the far end seen anything of the proposed development yet? Are all the old favourite tavernas likely to be open this year? What about the new harbour to the west of the town?
I know that some forum members have visited during the winter but I guess the numbers will increase markedly once we get to the end of the month.
Mike
I'm sure that the majority of the bars and restaurants will remain the same although there are always one or two that change or come and go. Whatever the developements are I can't see them affecting the local businesses much at this early stage, unless anyone local knows any different i.e. Santa or Dave and Ali.
I shouldn't think the new harbour will affect the town very much, I heard they were moving the fishing boats out there to give the pleasure boats a bit more room.
I, like you Mike are looking forward to the 2008 reports coming in.
george g...
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I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the correct thread as I have found all the proposed development plans for the town somewhat confusing.
I was hoping someone who is either there now or who has been recently can update us on what has changed since last year. For instance, has the land behind the walk to the far end seen anything of the proposed development yet? Are all the old favourite tavernas likely to be open this year? What about the new harbour to the west of the town?
I know that some forum members have visited during the winter but I guess the numbers will increase markedly once we get to the end of the month.
Mike
I'm sure that the majority of the bars and restaurants will remain the same although there are always one or two that change or come and go. Whatever the developements are I can't see them affecting the local businesses much at this early stage, unless anyone local knows any different i.e. Santa or Dave and Ali.
I shouldn't think the new harbour will affect the town very much, I heard they were moving the fishing boats out there to give the pleasure boats a bit more room.
I, like you Mike are looking forward to the 2008 reports coming in.
george g...
I agree with George about the harbour. As regards the developments towards the far end I too hope not too much has happened so far. I don't want 2008 to be my last visit but will look elsewhere if the place is spoiled by them.
One thing that may affect the Brits this year is that the £ has fallen against the € by about 20% since last year, at a time when many are under financial strain at home caused by the credit situation. Fortunately for the service providers of Plakias many tourists are now from the euro zone.
Mike
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I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the correct thread as I have found all the proposed development plans for the town somewhat confusing.
I was hoping someone who is either there now or who has been recently can update us on what has changed since last year. For instance, has the land behind the walk to the far end seen anything of the proposed development yet? Are all the old favourite tavernas likely to be open this year? What about the new harbour to the west of the town?
I know that some forum members have visited during the winter but I guess the numbers will increase markedly once we get to the end of the month.
Mike
I'm sure that the majority of the bars and restaurants will remain the same although there are always one or two that change or come and go. Whatever the developements are I can't see them affecting the local businesses much at this early stage, unless anyone local knows any different i.e. Santa or Dave and Ali.
I shouldn't think the new harbour will affect the town very much, I heard they were moving the fishing boats out there to give the pleasure boats a bit more room.
I, like you Mike are looking forward to the 2008 reports coming in.
george g...
I agree with George about the harbour. As regards the developments towards the far end I too hope not too much has happened so far. I don't want 2008 to be my last visit but will look elsewhere if the place is spoiled by them.
One thing that may affect the Brits this year is that the £ has fallen against the € by about 20% since last year, at a time when many are under financial strain at home caused by the credit situation. Fortunately for the service providers of Plakias many tourists are now from the euro zone.
Mike
Yes the £ is in a bad way against the euro. Does this mean 1 Mythos a week less on holiday??? ( I think not ).
Keef
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This is exactly my worry about the lousy exchange rate. Will anyone in Plakias, or the first visitors there, please let us all know the 2008 prices for a large bottle of Mythos, last year in Lefkada I was paying 2 euros, up to 2.5 euros for the large bottle, and wine was between 4 euros and 6 euros for a litre in a restaurant. Will Plakias be as economical?
And, whilst we are about it, what about Ouzo, Raki, Bacardi Grouse................ad infinitum, ad nauseum, ooh my head hurts.
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This is exactly my worry about the lousy exchange rate. Will anyone in Plakias, or the first visitors there, please let us all know the 2008 prices for a large bottle of Mythos, last year in Lefkada I was paying 2 euros, up to 2.5 euros for the large bottle, and wine was between 4 euros and 6 euros for a litre in a restaurant. Will Plakias be as economical?
And, whilst we are about it, what about Ouzo, Raki, Bacardi Grouse................ad infinitum, ad nauseum, ooh my head hurts.
For many years Greek inflation has been greater than the UK's, although this may have lessened now Greece is in the € zone. However, prices in € still go up there year on year. This, plus the 20% decline in the value of the pound, will make things much more expensive this year for Brits.
Mike
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For many years Greek inflation has been greater than the UK's, although this may have lessened now Greece is in the € zone. However, prices in € still go up there year on year. This, plus the 20% decline in the value of the pound, will make things much more expensive this year for Brits.
Mike
I think I am the first from the so called €-zone which writes an answer.
During the last years in Plakias we have noticed that many prices are increased but we have the same fact in Germany and every year we make the same
experience in Spain. We will see what will happen this year.
Sometimes we think there must be a limit but we are not sure about the development.
Nevertheless we are waiting for our next holidays in Plakias.
Kerstin
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This is exactly my worry about the lousy exchange rate. Will anyone in Plakias, or the first visitors there, please let us all know the 2008 prices for a large bottle of Mythos, last year in Lefkada I was paying 2 euros, up to 2.5 euros for the large bottle, and wine was between 4 euros and 6 euros for a litre in a restaurant. Will Plakias be as economical?
And, whilst we are about it, what about Ouzo, Raki, Bacardi Grouse................ad infinitum, ad nauseum, ooh my head hurts.
Why do I get the impression your not necessarily going for the sunshine!
george g...
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The sunshine is a bonus! Seriously though, we do go for the weather, last year in Lefkada we had several days of rain, thunderstorms etc., something I had never experienced in Greece before, and this was early June. We are returning to Plakias because we like the quieter atmosphere, the Cretan sun, value for money (exchange rate allowing!), good choice of tavernas, and many other things. I just hope it remains, within reason, as it is.
Me, I am just growing old disgracefully.
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Me, I am just growing old disgracefully.
I tried doing that once then found out I already was
We can only hope that there's not too many changes too quickly, JBM.
george g...
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Me, I am just growing old disgracefully.
I tried doing that once then found out I already was
george g...
Was what ? - old or disgraceful ??
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both!
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Spot on!!
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Hmmmmmm!
Seems like a common condition around here.
Is it something in the <strike>water</strike> raki?
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Hmmmmmm!
Seems like a common condition around here.
Is it something in the <strike>water</strike> raki?
Raki is the elixir of youth Chas, unfortunately if you have too much one can become disgraceful
george g...
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Hmmmmmm!
Seems like a common condition around here.
Is it something in the <strike>water</strike> raki?
Raki is the elixir of youth Chas, unfortunately if you have too much one can become disgraceful
george g...
At the request of Mike G. I will give you a quick update- There has been n o activity on the development from Alianthos to the far end- Only a few plastic pipes laying in the field around the area of the old Meltemi- The major work thast has been done is in stalling water and sewage pipes in the main road leading into town- Also the road has been widened- All that is need is the final asphalt- I will be in town this week end and give you and update- As to the harbour, it is moving along- Not to worry for those who like to walk to Souda- They have been stockpiling materials all winter in the lot above tha harbour and below the road- That way they can use this material in the summer and not have constant truck traffic on the road to Souda- Not saying there won't be some, but certainly not the pace that they had last summer.
As usual, the locals have been busy during the oss-season remoddeling or otherwise sprucing up the area- The place looks better all the time-
Santa
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Thanks Santa, local news is always welcome whether good or bad, it keeps us all in touch and a bit closer.
george g...
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Yes - Thanks Santa. From what you've said, all looks set fair for the coming season. Roll on September
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Yes - Thanks Santa. From what you've said, all looks set fair for the coming season. Roll on September
Looks like we overlap by a few days, mines a G&T
george g...
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Yes - Thanks Santa. From what you've said, all looks set fair for the coming season. Roll on September
Looks like we overlap by a few days, mines a G&T
george g...
We'll look out for you George
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Yes - Thanks Santa. From what you've said, all looks set fair for the coming season. Roll on September
My deasr friends-
I just returned from Plakias and I do not have good news- First there is still more work to be done on the main road into town, but more importantly, construction has begun on the site west of the road before Paligremnos- The site is fenced and in the two weeks I was gone they have begun excavation and infact on building(don't know what it is)has started to be framed - There is also a construction trailor on the site.
So, here we go-
Santa
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Yes - Thanks Santa. From what you've said, all looks set fair for the coming season. Roll on September
My deasr friends-
I just returned from Plakias and I do not have good news- First there is still more work to be done on the main road into town, but more importantly, construction has begun on the site west of the road before Paligremnos- The site is fenced and in the two weeks I was gone they have begun excavation and infact on building(don't know what it is)has started to be framed - There is also a construction trailor on the site.
So, here we go-
Santa
I suppose it had to come Santa, thanks for the update
george g...
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Yes - Thanks Santa. From what you've said, all looks set fair for the coming season. Roll on September
My deasr friends-
I just returned from Plakias and I do not have good news- First there is still more work to be done on the main road into town, but more importantly, construction has begun on the site west of the road before Paligremnos- The site is fenced and in the two weeks I was gone they have begun excavation and infact on building(don't know what it is)has started to be framed - There is also a construction trailor on the site.
So, here we go-
Santa
I suppose it had to come Santa, thanks for the update
george g...
Such depressing news. What a dreadful shame. Thankyou Santa for the update.
Travellingran.
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'Such depressing news. What a dreadful shame. Thankyou Santa for the update.
Travellingran.'
If you need a shoulder...
It's all gone very quiet!
george g...
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Yes - Thanks Santa. From what you've said, all looks set fair for the coming season. Roll on September
My deasr friends-
I just returned from Plakias and I do not have good news- First there is still more work to be done on the main road into town, but more importantly, construction has begun on the site west of the road before Paligremnos- The site is fenced and in the two weeks I was gone they have begun excavation and infact on building(don't know what it is)has started to be framed - There is also a construction trailor on the site.
So, here we go-
Santa
Most regulars to this site go to Plakias because we find it really special and virtually unique (what other resort has a dedicated website like this?). However, most of us go to other places as well and the "Powers That Be" in Plakias ought to be aware that if they allow the resort to be spoiled by uncontrolled development we will go elsewhere. Plakias wouldn't be the first resort to suffer this fate and find that regulars desert (e.g. Skala, Kefalonia?).
All resorts change over time but my perception is that Plakias is changing faster than the others. What do other forum members think?
Mike
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All resorts change over time but my perception is that Plakias is changing faster than the others. What do other forum members think?
Mike
Sorry Mike I can't agree with that, the reason Plakias appeals is that it's just the opposite, OK there have been a few changes since my first visit but nothing major. Even if you look at the early photos of Plakias somewhere else on this site the only changes seem to be cosmetic i.e new roads and pavements, OK the odd new building etc. which in my opinion is a good thing when they do it as well as they have.
Does anyone know who actually 'owned' the land that they're building on, previous to the developer??
george g...
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All resorts change over time but my perception is that Plakias is changing faster than the others. What do other forum members think?
Mike
I think you are right. Most of us (All ?) would like Plakias to remain virtually as is. However that strip of undeveloped land West of Paligremnos - wonderful though it is in it's undeveloped state is a fairly unusual feature for what is now a popular resort. I have thought for years that anywhere else that would have been developed. I think that all we can hope for is that the development is reasonably acceptable to all concerned - including the residents of Plakias. If tasteful and relatively none disturbing then it would be ok with me - though status quo is obviously my preferred option. The reason Plakias is changing faster than others is that until recently it was relatively undiscovered except for the few visitors - most of whom were repeats. It has now been discovered. I remember my first late September / early October visits 10 years or so ago and like most places it was very much off season and quiet at that time of year. Now it is the busiest time - that in itself is a quick and quite unusual change. I actually think that all ourselves and this very forum is partly "to blame" for some acceleration to the changes. We have definitely contributed to its increased popularity.
George's reply above came in while I was writing this. I agree with him that changes were unusually slow for many years but there is an uncanny acceleration right now.
John R
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Ok, let's be honest now, who hasn't walked along that beach road and dreamt of having your own ''personally designed'' villa somewhere along there? ...thought what it might be like lazing on my own first floor terrace under the pergola with an ice cold G&T, looking out at those views. I know I have on more than one occasion .
george g...
They're only doing a bit of building John, and we don't know what they're actually doing yet. Is this the beginning of the first phase that was mentioned or just a show home... who knows?? Hopefully more reports will come in during the coming months.
I think we ought to take the 'not' out of this thread title though.
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shinaria
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at 30.03.2008 the world was in plakias ok,
will see
thomas
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All resorts change over time but my perception is that Plakias is changing faster than the others. What do other forum members think?
Mike
I think you are right. Most of us (All ?) would like Plakias to remain virtually as is. However that strip of undeveloped land West of Paligremnos - wonderful though it is in it's undeveloped state is a fairly unusual feature for what is now a popular resort. I have thought for years that anywhere else that would have been developed. I think that all we can hope for is that the development is reasonably acceptable to all concerned - including the residents of Plakias. If tasteful and relatively none disturbing then it would be ok with me - though status quo is obviously my preferred option. The reason Plakias is changing faster than others is that until recently it was relatively undiscovered except for the few visitors - most of whom were repeats. It has now been discovered. I remember my first late September / early October visits 10 years or so ago and like most places it was very much off season and quiet at that time of year. Now it is the busiest time - that in itself is a quick and quite unusual change. I actually think that all ourselves and this very forum is partly "to blame" for some acceleration to the changes. We have definitely contributed to its increased popularity.
George's reply above came in while I was writing this. I agree with him that changes were unusually slow for many years but there is an uncanny acceleration right now.
John R
John, I agree with you. Four years ago we thought the same... what a wonderful place, no development but we thought also ... how long. Now the development
comes closer and we hope it will be suitable to the village and the surrounding. On the other side we hope Plakias will be an original with the wonderful
tavernas, bars, apartments/studios and so on.
Now we are waiting for our next holidays in Plakias and we will see what has been changed. We will ask our friends what they think about the new development.
Kerstin
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We, like others would have preferred it if the development wasn't going to happen but it may not be too bad. We often go out of of Plakias during the day and we won't be passing it in the evenings. It really depends on whether the extra people make the area feel crowded and whether the windsurfing develops into bananas and ringos I'm sure we'll have a great time this September, as in all previous years but will always be open to other possibilities.
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We, like others would have preferred it if the development wasn't going to happen but it may not be too bad. We often go out of of Plakias during the day and we won't be passing it in the evenings. It really depends on whether the extra people make the area feel crowded and whether the windsurfing develops into bananas and ringos I'm sure we'll have a great time this September, as in all previous years but will always be open to other possibilities.
We are like you and do not use the beach. However I suspect that most people on this forum are farenders or nearly so and it could make a big difference to them. What is now a beautiful long sweeping almost isolated beach virtually ideal for all purposes may change if it is overlooked for the full length by any development however tasteful. For example there is nothing wrong with the beach near the town but most people walk away from that perfectly good area to enjoy more isolation. I certainly would. I think the minus for the likes of us will be if an increase in visitors overwhelms or changes the character of bars, eating places etc. Also the type of people that it may bring in may not be to our liking. Though not far enders ourselves nearly all our friends are far enders and they are the sort of people who we like and who appreciate the place for the right reasons.
Like most people we shall carry on going to Plakias unless it ceases to maintain our simple and basic standards.
John R
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I think we ought to take the 'not' out of this thread title though.
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Perhaps this thread should be reposted to the "Worrying Development" thread that started most of this debate.
Tony
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I am wondering how this will impact on our holiday in September as we stay at the Paligremnos and use the beach opposite.
If the plot of land has become a construction site what are the noise levels going to be and will we be able to hear it. If so, I am not sure I want to be there. Also, how far west of the Paligremnos is it? This is really starting to concern me so perhaps Santa can enlighten us.
Susan
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I am wondering how this will impact on our holiday in September as we stay at the Paligremnos and use the beach opposite.
If the plot of land has become a construction site what are the noise levels going to be and will we be able to hear it. If so, I am not sure I want to be there. Also, how far west of the Paligremnos is it? This is really starting to concern me so perhaps Santa can enlighten us.
Susan
I will be in Plakias this Saturday through May 4-I know you are all concerned and I will get the latest details for you as soon as possible. I may sniff around the mayors office and have a look at the drawings and in general try to get the scoop on what is going on.
Santa
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I will be in Plakias this Saturday through May 4-I know you are all concerned and I will get the latest details for you as soon as possible. I may sniff around the mayors office and have a look at the drawings and in general try to get the scoop on what is going on.
Santa
Main man Santa, your doing a great job, thanks!!
george g...
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I am wondering how this will impact on our holiday in September as we stay at the Paligremnos and use the beach opposite.
If the plot of land has become a construction site what are the noise levels going to be and will we be able to hear it. If so, I am not sure I want to be there. Also, how far west of the Paligremnos is it? This is really starting to concern me so perhaps Santa can enlighten us.
Susan
The site plans are here on this site somewhere Susan.
The site is within spitting distance of the Paligremnos, but let's all wait to see exactly what's going on before we start to panic .
I usually turn right after Antoni's and over the beach, and walk along the water's edge to get to the far end, so hopefully I won't be seeing much of it.
george g...
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Santa - Many thanks for keeping us informed, you are a great help.
George - I will try to find the plans at lunch (when the boss isn't looking) and yes, lets wait until we know for sure but it still doesn't stop me from being concerned :'(
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Santa - Many thanks for keeping us informed, you are a great help.
George - I will try to find the plans at lunch (when the boss isn't looking) and yes, lets wait until we know for sure but it still doesn't stop me from being concerned :'(
We're all concerned Susan, but don't let it worry you too much!
Try this thread Susan: "Worrying Development"
george g...
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Here is the link to the plan ... http://www.plakiasresort.com/images/overall_l.jpg (http://www.plakiasresort.com/images/overall_l.jpg)
I wonder where they will place the four houses that are drawn south of the road in this plan? Houses in the dunes?
shinaria
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Here is the link to the plan ... [url]http://www.plakiasresort.com/images/overall_l.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.plakiasresort.com/images/overall_l.jpg[/url])
I wonder where they will place the four houses that are drawn south of the road in this plan? Houses in the dunes?
shinaria
I found an other side with a lot of pictures and plans: http://www.fastro.co.uk/plakias/default.html (http://www.fastro.co.uk/plakias/default.html)
Kerstin
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Here is the link to the plan ... [url]http://www.plakiasresort.com/images/overall_l.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.plakiasresort.com/images/overall_l.jpg[/url])
I wonder where they will place the four houses that are drawn south of the road in this plan? Houses in the dunes?
shinaria
I found an other side with a lot of pictures and plans: [url]http://www.fastro.co.uk/plakias/default.html[/url] ([url]http://www.fastro.co.uk/plakias/default.html[/url])
Kerstin
The four houses shown on the fastro site could be the start of a "private beach" development that I so dread.
I hope not. Many a lovely beach has become roped off for the exclusive use of hotels and apartments.
travellingran
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The road shown on the plan is a new road that is being created, you can already see it in place (cleared last year when the council cleared all future potential roads) and these houses are between that and the existing beach road. So no private beach being developed.
The thing that staggers me about this development and others in the area is that there does not appear to be any use of solar panels for heating water. Surely in this day and age a development like this which claims to take into account the 'environment' should be looking at ways to conserve energy and not to go backwards.
The island has problems coping with electricity supply as it is, especially experienced by anyone out here during the heatwave last year. How is the system going to cope if these developments make no effort to use solar power.
(That's my gripe for the year )
Ali
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Thankyou Ali and Dave for removing the worry over private beach space.
The lack of Solar Panels is much more serious and good of Ali to draw attention to the problem.
I think I will not be alone in just assuming that solar panels were part of the plans from the beginning.
What is it to be then - a nuclear power station at Souda ?. As Ali so rightly reminds us , the difficulty the present electricity system has with overload brings back memories of the days when blackouts were the norm., for hours on end.
The impact on the environment as a consequence of electricity generation is a very real and urgent problem. I find it astonishing that such an enlightened country could even consider going back to the days of polluting chimney's and possibly the burning of fossil fuels.
The plans on the holprop site of the new development show an artists impression of the work finished.
I know artists are supposed to be creative but this one seems to be in overdrive. The whole development has been squashed between ten newly planted tres . The beach and sea aspect stretched un-naturally wide. In fact , the swimming pool is shown on it's side. Is this a futuristic experiment or is the Plakias wind to be utilised to keep the water in the pool ?.
The Fastro site shows a slightly more realistic impression - but still very creative modelling.
Here's to a more positive result. See you soon.
travellingran
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'What is it to be then - a nuclear power station at Souda ?. As Ali so rightly reminds us , the difficulty the present electricity system has with overload brings back memories of the days when blackouts were the norm., for hours on end.
travellingran'
Those were the days...
Everyone bought torches off the Deaf/Dumb guys who came round the bars, and we sat in candlelit restuarants until the groans went up when the lights came back on.
george g...
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We, like others would have preferred it if the development wasn't going to happen but it may not be too bad. We often go out of of Plakias during the day and we won't be passing it in the evenings. It really depends on whether the extra people make the area feel crowded and whether the windsurfing develops into bananas and ringos I'm sure we'll have a great time this September, as in all previous years but will always be open to other possibilities.
We are like you and do not use the beach. However I suspect that most people on this forum are farenders or nearly so and it could make a big difference to them. What is now a beautiful long sweeping almost isolated beach virtually ideal for all purposes may change if it is overlooked for the full length by any development however tasteful. For example there is nothing wrong with the beach near the town but most people walk away from that perfectly good area to enjoy more isolation. I certainly would. I think the minus for the likes of us will be if an increase in visitors overwhelms or changes the character of bars, eating places etc. Also the type of people that it may bring in may not be to our liking. Though not far enders ourselves nearly all our friends are far enders and they are the sort of people who we like and who appreciate the place for the right reasons.
Like most people we shall carry on going to Plakias unless it ceases to maintain our simple and basic standards.
John R
Actually we are far 'far-enders' - by the tamarisk trees. I think, there, the dunes will do a good job of hiding the development. I agree, the walk will be less pleasant but last year we had a car and plan to this year so we'll be past it in seconds.
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'What is it to be then - a nuclear power station at Souda ?. As Ali so rightly reminds us , the difficulty the present electricity system has with overload brings back memories of the days when blackouts were the norm., for hours on end.
travellingran'
Those were the days...
Everyone bought torches off the Deaf/Dumb guys who came round the bars, and we sat in candlelit restuarants until the groans went up when the lights came back on.
george g...
I had completely forgotten about them , George. We lost three or four torches over the years..
In addition to candles , Mannoussos' brother in law would bring the lantern from his fishing boat and put it on a table , mostly indoors. A very eerie light indeed. But welcome nevertheless.
travellingran
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I suspect that most people on this forum are farenders or nearly so and it could make a big difference to them. What is now a beautiful long sweeping almost isolated beach virtually ideal for all purposes may change if it is overlooked for the full length by any development however tasteful. For example there is nothing wrong with the beach near the town but most people walk away from that perfectly good area to enjoy more isolation. I certainly would. I think the minus for the likes of us will be if an increase in visitors overwhelms or changes the character of bars, eating places etc. Also the type of people that it may bring in may not be to our liking. Though not far enders ourselves nearly all our friends are far enders and they are the sort of people who we like and who appreciate the place for the right reasons.
Like most people we shall carry on going to Plakias unless it ceases to maintain our simple and basic standards.
John R
I think John has identifed my main concern, namely the effect on the farend beach. Many such a beach (Greece and elsewhere) has become "clothes mandatory" once development has arrived. I, too, suspect that most Plakias visitors who use the beach are farenders as the beach nearer the town is sparsely occupied.
If the number of visitors increases then the tavernas will just expand to cope, I imagine.
Mike
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Re; the current development on the site...... not sure?? We drive past the site often, as we live behind Paligremnos, and we can't quite work out what they are doing.
The cabin, I think, will be a sales office and they have made a parking area for visitors to the site. But they are certainly building something, we're not sure if they are maybe building one plot as a selling feature if so, they are putting in major foundations or it's a swimming pool??
I don't quite understand why they did not start until April coinciding with the first visitors.
There are hopes that the road will be finished early May, fingers crossed as I'm not sure the wheels on our car can cope with it much longer!!!
I'm sure it will all be alright on the night.
Ali
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Thanks Ali, all will come clear soon we hope.
george g...
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Santa
Are you back yet? I can't stand the suspense
Susan
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Santa
Are you back yet? I can't stand the suspense
Susan
Dear Susan- Yes I am back and actually Plakias looks very good. The new road into town now has asphalt, although I must admit it is not the best job. I have been informed that they will provide a pedestrian walk next to the road- They understand that it can be dangerous for those who walk - so that is good- not sure on the time table though. Also, the last curve that leads out of town to Souda has been widened so it will be easier to navigate that turn.
Now as to the development, it looks like full steam ahead- There is now a full billboard on site- I will be back in Plakias the weekend of the17th and get the details of that for you. In studying the images, it looks like the large swimming pool is beign constructed- at the least the concrete work for it at this time. There are 3 phases of development- total time 5 years- Phase 1 is scheduled for 2 years. Total around 380 units.I estimate that the distance between the east boundrie of the lot and Pelgremnos is about 150 meters. I do not think it will disturb those of you who use the far end.
I know many of you have many reservations about this development and its potential impact on the area. It will be built, so let us make the best of it -
The mayor has been doing a great job in cleaning up and sprucing up the entire walk to the far end- as well as in town and towards Souda-Weeds are cut ,street swept etc. It looks very nice.
The harbour is progressing, and some boats are already using the facility.
So, that is it for now- Do not worry.
Santa
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Thank you so much Santa for reporting back and taking the time and trouble to check it out.
I am not so worried about the far end but as our balcony will be facing the development it won't be very peaceful. I really don't want want to wake up to noise from a construction site and have to sit on the balcony in full view of it. Hardly my idea of a relaxing holiday
I love staying at the Paligremnos but I am seriously considering changing accommodation so if anyone can shed any further light in terms of how it might impact on us it would be greatly appreciated. Maybe anyone staying there could let us know.
Thanks in advance
Susan
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Thank you so much Santa for reporting back and taking the time and trouble to check it out.
I am not so worried about the far end but as our balcony will be facing the development it won't be very peaceful. I really don't want want to wake up to noise from a construction site and have to sit on the balcony in full view of it. Hardly my idea of a relaxing holiday
I love staying at the Paligremnos but I am seriously considering changing accommodation so if anyone can shed any further light in terms of how it might impact on us it would be greatly appreciated. Maybe anyone staying there could let us know.
Thanks in advance
Susan
Dear Susan-
Sorry- did not understand your requirements. Be warned that there are only 2 ways the trucks can get to the site- From town on the road next to the beach or from the road just east of the property. You will have that traffic . I will say this- once they get into full swing and start the concrete pouring, there will be conc. trucks coming to the site.how fequently is anyones guess. So, if this will disturb your holiday, I suggest you look for other accomodations- Sorry-
Santa
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Thanks Santa
I really don't know what to do for the best
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I just "Googled" Plakias and top of the list is the new resort website!
How does that work? how do you get the first list?
Is it August yet?
Barny.
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I just "Googled" Plakias and top of the list is the new resort website!
How does that work? how do you get the first list?
Is it August yet?
Barny.
Barny,
It's a sponsored link. That means they pay Google to put it there.
Greecemad
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I see now, thanks for that.
Barny.
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interesting post by mr Al-Jaizani, but i think he confirms everything we have thought about the development, we are looking at another hapimag....
I'm note his comment that the 'locals population' are ' very exited ' although i'm sure this is a typo, exiting is what a great deal of people will be doing. the thought of the summer population doubling in plakias is disturbing and will drive away a lot of people. if most of this new influx are eating and drinking within the complex, i can't see that going down too well either but......
on a personal note Mr Al-Jaizani, you have saved me writing a letter or visiting your offices in Sale, i would like to know why you thought you could use one of my photographs in your little slideshow of plakias without my permission??
chris harrison
From my time living with the locals in Mithios and asomatas,they wont be getting excited by this,they hate the thought of anyone but them making money,an outsider even worse than someone from another village in their eyes.They are a very hard and tight knit people who dont like or trust most outsiders,they are only nice to tourists as long as you are spending money with them. The consensus amongst the majority is that we are there to be fleeced every year. Trust me im a Kriti boy.
Dimitri
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Dimitri
I am staggered at your comments. Having lived here with a business for over 5 years now, I think you must have been mixing with the wrong people.
We have locals who shop with us although many will shop with people either from their own family or own village. But there is little hostility towards us.
Yes, there are some people who do not like outsiders but you will get this in any country, town, village in the world.
As for the attitude towards visitors (tourists) I again think you were mixing with the wrong people. The locals may not look forward to other Greeks visiting due to their attutide but there are many regulars who come each year who the locals look forward to seeing. I have never come across the attitude of 'lets fleece' the tourists and if this was the case they would be charging the same prices as they do in Rethymno and other places on the north coast. One of the property owners out here once said he preferred the summer because he has different people to talk to.
I think to put a post on this web site which is read by many people who have friends out here and are thinking of coming here for the first time is ignorant and hurtful
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Dimitri
I am staggered at your comments. Having lived here with a business for over 5 years now, I think you must have been mixing with the wrong people.
We have locals who shop with us although many will shop with people either from their own family or own village. But there is little hostility towards us.
Yes, there are some people who do not like outsiders but you will get this in any country, town, village in the world.
As for the attitude towards visitors (tourists) I again think you were mixing with the wrong people. The locals may not look forward to other Greeks visiting due to their attutide but there are many regulars who come each year who the locals look forward to seeing. I have never come across the attitude of 'lets fleece' the tourists and if this was the case they would be charging the same prices as they do in Rethymno and other places on the north coast. One of the property owners out here once said he preferred the summer because he has different people to talk to.
I think to put a post on this web site which is read by many people who have friends out here and are thinking of coming here for the first time is ignorant and hurtful
Thenks Ali,
This has always been a nice Forum and lets keep it that way, I think the best way to handle these posts is to ignore them.
The guy hasn't been in Plakias for a long time or maybe never(see his other post when writing about the Meltemi).
He propably a 13yr old kid with nothing else to do.
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The consensus amongst the majority is that we are there to be fleeced every year. Trust me im a Kriti boy.
Dimitri
sorry Dimitri
most of us on the forum have been going to plakias and south crete for a long time, we have many cretan friends there
of course we may be misunderstanding you, if by fleecing you mean we have to stay up to the early hours of the morning drinking our friends raki and wine or sharing in their celebrations and food, and then being told we have nothing to pay, maybe we have been fleeced....
it's a cretan trick to make us come back......
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Thank you so much Santa for reporting back and taking the time and trouble to check it out.
I am not so worried about the far end but as our balcony will be facing the development it won't be very peaceful. I really don't want want to wake up to noise from a construction site and have to sit on the balcony in full view of it. Hardly my idea of a relaxing holiday
I love staying at the Paligremnos but I am seriously considering changing accommodation so if anyone can shed any further light in terms of how it might impact on us it would be greatly appreciated. Maybe anyone staying there could let us know.
Thanks in advance
Susan
Susan,
I've tried to suss out when I've been walking in whether you would see the actual building work (buildings not pool) from Paligremnos. I think probably not but on days when cement is being delivered you may be disturbed as the entrance to the site in close to the beach road. It's a tricky one but knowing how you can sleep anywhere you probably won't be too disturbed.
Ali
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Susan,
I've tried to suss out when I've been walking in whether you would see the actual building work (buildings not pool) from Paligremnos. I think probably not but on days when cement is being delivered you may be disturbed as the entrance to the site in close to the beach road. It's a tricky one but knowing how you can sleep anywhere you probably won't be too disturbed.
Ali
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Moi? You must be thinking of someone else Ali, I have great difficulty sleeping
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Thank you so much Santa for reporting back and taking the time and trouble to check it out.
I am not so worried about the far end but as our balcony will be facing the development it won't be very peaceful. I really don't want want to wake up to noise from a construction site and have to sit on the balcony in full view of it. Hardly my idea of a relaxing holiday
I love staying at the Paligremnos but I am seriously considering changing accommodation so if anyone can shed any further light in terms of how it might impact on us it would be greatly appreciated. Maybe anyone staying there could let us know.
Thanks in advance
Susan
Hello Susan,
I've just returned. All the activity on the site is at the Paligremnos end and some days it is more than others. I would have thought never particularly noisy but they probably start quite early. Access is either by the road alongside Paligremnos or the next one towards town.
Mike
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Mike
Thank you for your comments and I hope you had a great time
At the moment I think I will continue with my plan to stay at the Paligremnos, however, as I don't go until September I may ask others nearer the time to check out the situation for me as it could change.
Susan
PS Loved your posting for 2008 on the other page!
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Mike
Thank you for your comments and I hope you had a great time
At the moment I think I will continue with my plan to stay at the Paligremnos, however, as I don't go until September I may ask others nearer the time to check out the situation for me as it could change.
Susan
PS Loved your posting for 2008 on the other page!
Susan
We will be in Plakias for the first time 15th to 29th June I will be able to keep you updated about the development when we return
It could be interesting hearing about it from someone who hasn't been to Plakias "pre-development"
Dave and Janet
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Thanks Dave and Janet, that would be great.
Enjoy your first trip to Plakias
Susan