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Title: A Place In Greece
Post by: Pritch on April 14, 2004, 01:53:39 PM
Whilst I know not strictly on the topic of Plakias, am I the only one appalled by the behaviour and ignorance of the people on the latest Ch 4 documentary ??
Going to buy a house/land in Crete as after many visits they fell in love with the Island and the people - nothing strange there as we all know. However, for people that have visited the islands 'many times before' don't you think they might just have picked up the odd word, like - good morning/hello not to mention Please and Thank You. Even my 8 year old knows those words !!!
I had to admit to both my wife and I cringing when the guy went into a local Kafenion looking for a local to assist with his quest to purchase, and his first words being 'do you speak English...?'
My Greek I admit is faltering and very basic, and if I weren't in the Company of fluent speakers most of the time, then the least I would have with me would be a phrasebook, but at least try I certainly do.
To make a huge purchase like a house in a different Country - at least learn a few words, manners after all cost nothing.

Happy Easter all, Chronia Polla !!
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Post by: ostraco on April 14, 2004, 02:09:09 PM
Couldn't agree more Pritch!
I started to watch the programme - but gave up after the first episode.
To me, it's a question of respect and manners - neither of which were displayed there!
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Post by: Susan K on April 14, 2004, 07:23:14 PM
Thank God we're all such a civilised bunch here!  

Susan
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Post by: Yvonne on April 14, 2004, 09:04:29 PM
Selfish, I know, but thank goodness he didn't choose Plakias!!  Seriously, these are 'made for television' programmes and I am sure the whole thing is a set up.  I agree about the manners. Dreadful.
Yvonne
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Post by: Graham_and_Karen on April 14, 2004, 09:51:17 PM
Glad I didn't catch the program. Like many people we dream of having a little place in Plakias. Any local agents that board members know of?
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Post by: ostraco on April 15, 2004, 02:29:47 PM
I'd love a place in Plakias too!
I think the best way to find out about available property in the village is to ask around - but I did notice an office last year which looked like an estate agent - on your right as you're walking up from Ostraco to the Secret Nest.
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Post by: Graham_and_Karen on April 15, 2004, 02:40:47 PM
Thanks for that info John. We're not there until September but we shall look out for the place then. Although there are loads of companies selling property in Crete, we need to find a local agent who can 'mind' the property as we will not be there 90% of the time.
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Post by: Pritch on April 15, 2004, 09:26:06 PM
Good luck Karen & Graham and very happy hunting. Have looked myself and a we have friends in Crete the 'minding' wouldn't be so bad, but as we thought we would try and get out over Easter this year - could we find any flights !!! Nothing, unless we wanted to pay VERY large with Easyjet to Athens then hopper to Iraklion - over a grand for the 4 of us...ouch. Seems the charters are getting later and later each year. Was a time you could get out from March onwards. Which has put a hold on any thoughts of buying somewhere (if I can ever really afford it anyway, if I'm honest, but we must all have dreams).
Mind you, how much would it cost if the Members here bought a place that was used by all........probably impossible but its a thought...
Watched the prog again tonight (bit like watching a traffic accident, you don't want to look but its perversly compulsive), oh my word, how bloody naive are these people, So OK, how many of you out there would employ a person who has not the remotest inklng of the native language !!! As for the ground breaking 'ceremony', how incredibly rude and offensive can anyone be ! As Susan says, and I feel the same, what a civilised bunch we are here.
Catch you all soon,
Pritch
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Post by: John & Zell on April 16, 2004, 10:49:59 AM
We could not agree more with you all, we're not snobs, but these people
were the most ******************* we have ever seen or heard,
thank God they are not in our beloved Plakias. You all know the old saying,
"when in Rome" to insult the locals like that was unforgivable, they deserve
all the bad luck that is thrown at them.
 PS   Only 74 days to go and we will be "HOME"
  All the best to everyone,
John & Zell
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Post by: ostraco on April 17, 2004, 06:37:41 PM
Graham - I'm interested too - I'll see what I can find  out in May.

As for 'the programme' - not in this house, thanks!
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Post by: Graham_and_Karen on April 19, 2004, 01:50:24 PM
Ok John - I look forward to hearing about any info you get. Have a good trip.
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Post by: John & Zell on May 21, 2004, 10:05:57 AM
 Just finished watching channel 4's latest offering, "no going back" WOW, what a difference after their previous one. That guy to me is a hero  and so lucky to have such a wonderful wife. This couple, to give up everything here and to take on such a huge project like that was incredible and nothing short of a miricle. Not only did he make an attempt to learn the language but to gain the respect of the locals as well. Can you imagin ANY next door neighbour over here knocking down a garden wall so you could get a lorry onto your property? I don't think so. the way that they were treated by the locals was just amazing, and showed what wonderful people the Cretens are. All I can say to them is good luck and every success for the future.
John & Zell
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Post by: Susan K on May 22, 2004, 09:36:01 AM
I agree, they have worked very hard and deserve every success. I'm not very child friendly but even the little boy was lovely.

Susan
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Post by: charllie101 on December 13, 2004, 01:51:30 PM
Hi, I think I'm a bit late for this post but last night I caught this programme on Cable. They showed them back to back up until the most crucial one when they stuck an episode of Grand Designs on instead. It was so infuriating and I didn't find out if the project went ahead or not. Did Andrew and Brian manage to placate the developer, did they find the extra cash that they needed? The last one I saw was the episode where Andrew and Brian walked out of the meeting with the developer as they didn't have the money to fund the increased spec of the villa.

Would be most obliged if anyone could let me know what happened!

Thanks

Charlie
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Post by: Sandaraj on December 14, 2004, 01:13:10 PM
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We could not agree more with you all, we're not snobs, but these people
were the most ******************* we have ever seen or heard,
thank God they are not in our beloved Plakias. You all know the old saying,
"when in Rome" to insult the locals like that was unforgivable, they deserve
all the bad luck that is thrown at them.
 PS   Only 74 days to go and we will be "HOME"
  All the best to everyone,
John & Zell
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I can't believe that you would wish bad on people! they dont deserve bad luck, just because they are as yet unable to speak any words of the language. God! Im so incensed by people like you lot, its unbelievable. I wouldnt call you snobs. I would call you all ignorant. And I am sad, being a Greek, that there are people that think like you do being in Greece.
Sandaraj
Title: A Place In Greece
Post by: compage on December 14, 2004, 03:30:51 PM
Hi Sandaraj,

It is not clear who you mean by 'you lot' but aren't you in danger of doing the same thing as the poster of the topic you quoted?

Most members of this forum share one thing, a love of Plakias.
That does not mean that we share all the other views of other members.

I am a strong believer in free speech, whether I agree with the opinions expressed or not.
Any poster, whether it be you or the person to whom you addressed your remarks, can express their opinion here, within reason, but it is not reasonable to assume that one opinion represents the opinions of all.
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Post by: John & Zell on December 18, 2004, 02:25:32 PM
Very interesting if somewhat bewildering recent comments from Sandaraj re my posting 16th April, I wonder if ALL the programs were veiwed? Whilst I feel I do not need to defend myself regarding the contents of my posting I would most CERTAINLY defend my many Cretan Friends if they were treated in such a disrespectful way as they were in the program. I wonder why there was no comment on my posting of 21st May? was I perhaps correct on this occasion?
John & Zell

PS
Merry Christmas & a Happy,Healthy & Properous New Year to all
"FRIENDS OF PLAKIAS"
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Post by: Daskaloyannis on December 21, 2004, 11:37:55 PM
Dear, Compage and John & Zell,


Sorry to hear of all the ill feeling that has occured due to the misunderstanding of the '' Sandaraj '' issue.  Democracy was born in Greece and also free thought, I did hope that the majority of the contributors of this site were of the same mind- unfortunatly not.  I can only add that mutual understanding and tolerance is the only way that philhellenes and the rest of humanity can coexist peacefully.

   To conclude I leave you with a quote from Socrates.....
       '' I know nothing..'' .  

                        Kalinichta sas kai kalo Kristoyenna
Title: A Place In Greece
Post by: fraoula on December 21, 2004, 11:41:54 PM
 O Po Po! Sa' gapo Daskaloyannis  !  
 
                        Kai kalo Kristoyenna
Title: A Place In Greece
Post by: compage on December 22, 2004, 09:44:20 AM
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Dear, Compage and John & Zell,


Sorry to hear of all the ill feeling that has occured due to the misunderstanding of the '' Sandaraj '' issue.  Democracy was born in Greece and also free thought, I did hope that the majority of the contributors of this site were of the same mind- unfortunatly not.  I can only add that mutual understanding and tolerance is the only way that philhellenes and the rest of humanity can coexist peacefully.

   To conclude I leave you with a quote from Socrates.....
       '' I know nothing..'' . 

                        Kalinichta sas kai kalo Kristoyenna
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Another vote for tolerance, that's the spirit!

By the way Daskaloyannis, as a lover of most things Greek, Crete and walking too, you'll probably enjoy reading [a href=\"http://sjwalks.interkriti.org/index.html]this[/url].

... and have you seen this? (http://www.west-crete.com/pics/large/daskalogiannis.jpg)
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Post by: Grayskull on January 10, 2005, 04:49:37 AM
Hello everyone, I'm the newest nekid mbr...home page said so...Man its nice to finally be so impo'tant. I'm 46 w/m, same as my wife but she's a girrlll....We're from Chicago,il area. However "coma" I'm stationed on a ship in Virginia and soon we deploy to the Mediterranian Sea for 4 months...Momma is at home:'( w/ my 2 cats "So  annnyyywaayyy, I've sought you all out as we may have like interests. intermission----------------------------

Philip staggered into the house at two o'clock in the morning. As he entered his bedroom, he found another man in bed with his wife, Tina.

Tina pushed the man off her and demanded to know where Philip had been until two o'clock in the morning.

Philip looked at his wife's lover and demanded, "Who in the hell is this guy, and what is he doing in bed with you?"

The wife responded, "Don't go changing the subject! Where in the hell have you been so late?"
-----------------------------------------------  So as I was sayin, so I'll be in the Med getting fuel and taking it out to ships at sea. One of several ports will be Souda Bay. Is that near the Plakias area ?? Im sure i'll need a swim and a  tan. All for now, Jim Kennedy
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Post by: Mike G on January 10, 2005, 12:56:56 PM
Welcome to the forum, Jim (Grayskull).

Souda Bay is on the north coast of Crete just east of Hania. Don't know it personally, but the decent resorts of Kalives and Almirida are nearby. Plakias isn't that far, but it's on the south coast. You would go via Rethymnon.

Everyone on this forum would recommend that you make the trip when you are there. The view on the road into Plakias as you enter the village will make the journey very worthwhile.

Mike
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Post by: fraoula on January 11, 2005, 05:09:39 PM
Hey Jim welcome! If you do manage to get to Plakias go into the bar/cafe next to the butchers, a greek guy named Joe  owns it.  He used to  live in Chicago, for quite a number of years I believe and could never stop talking about the place!!
 However if you can't get to plakias you're still on a great part of the island. Souda Bay is a lovely place ( I take it you are going to the American base?). If you get a chance, visit the World War Two  cemetry there in Souda< it's breath-taking and unbelievably quiet. Go across the Akrotiri Peninsular to the small hamlet of Stavros where you'll find an almost circular sandy lagoon at the foot of 'Zorba's ' mountain. If you've ever heard of 'Zorba the Greek', ( a story written by Nikos Kanazakis a famous Greek author-the story then hit the big screens ) this is where it was filmed in 1961. There's an old greek guy that still lives in the village, who we had the pleasure of meeting, and who taught the famous actor Anthony Quinn to dance for the film. It's a lovely little place.  
 I'm sure you'll love it wherever you manage to see, Crete is full of history and   beauty!
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Post by: Grayskull on January 12, 2005, 12:29:20 AM
Well thank you for the replies, all suggestions will be used, guidance is appreciated. Now I can impress my friends with all I know...lol, i.e.  "My thoughts tell me there is another man from Chicago in the Cafe" Yes I believe we'll be at the US base fuel piers. As well as other Ports, date unknown to me just yet. Is the base more than a cab ride away from Plakias ?
Anothny Quinn is outstanding, now I'll go get the movie....
Thanks again, love the site, you all seem to be warm friendly people. I too am sorry to here of the discontent hence the corny attempt at a joke in my prior post. Any pain such as that is sad and painful to witness. Although I do hope it is used as a lesson for growth and not a tool to cause harm.

Just had a thought Maybe I'll be in your area on St Patricks Day !! lol
(I was made in America but designed in Ireland 101%)
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Post by: Stick of Rock on January 13, 2005, 06:15:27 PM
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Well thank you for the replies, all suggestions will be used, guidance is appreciated. Now I can impress my friends with all I know...lol, i.e.  "My thoughts tell me there is another man from Chicago in the Cafe" Yes I believe we'll be at the US base fuel piers. As well as other Ports, date unknown to me just yet. Is the base more than a cab ride away from Plakias ?
(I was made in America but designed in Ireland 101%)
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Yes the base is more than a cab ride from Plakias if you want to "feel" the place
Suggest an R&R weekend in a hire car. Accommodation is cheap. When we stayed at Zorbas (over the jeweller's behind the souvlaki hut by Joe's) the weekends were full of couples from Heraklion and Rethymnon making whoopee
If broke use the youth hostel which is known to all in Joe's. They don't take the word "youth" too seriously
Distances in Crete aren't as short as they first appear on the map
When will you be there?
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Post by: Daskaloyannis on January 18, 2005, 11:08:44 PM
Compage,

Sorry for the delay!  I did make a promise to try and view this site more frequently -Thanks for the pic of Daskaloyannis in Anopoli.  I have been wading through the Interkriti site and it has its good/bad points, in fact information overload.

I have noticed that the site has been quiet recently - any reasons that you can think of?

I will be in Plakias on June 28th @ 7pm (hopefully) If anyone is there I will be the one wearing obscure Greek/Cretan revolutionary designs on my T-shirts ie Ierou Lochou, Independence flag etc.

My beloved has stopped me having a tattoo of the twin headed eagle of Byzantium on my arm - basically saying I have reached the age where I am now regressing, perhaps she is right.  My colleagues at work state I should live there (Crete) this is something that we are considering.  I have had enough of IT, and living in England is now becoming virtually identical with America:- hypermarkets fast food, traffic and stress and leaders who should read more.

I know Crete is not as is was in the 60s but it is still beautiful.


Hale and farewell
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Post by: djdarknight on March 02, 2005, 11:23:13 PM
Hi,

There is a website in place which will allow you to see what has come of the project, and whilst you may have found the guys, how can I put this, "not to your liking", you might like the end result.

Have a look,

http://www.aplaceingreece.co.uk (http://www.aplaceingreece.co.uk)

 
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Post by: Daskaloyannis on March 05, 2005, 12:04:27 AM
Thanks for the link to the 'TV Boys' house, the views are spectacular however the
concrete pool base is a bit of an eyesore.  Whatever happened to the  couple who participated with them in the programme - anyone know?
  One worrying aspect of thier house design - no bar area... was this intentional?  Was is it a case of loads of queer but no beer..? (only joking!)
  Anyone who might be offended, I do apologise...
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Post by: compage on March 07, 2005, 08:52:17 PM
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Compage,

Sorry for the delay!  I did make a promise to try and view this site more frequently -Thanks for the pic of Daskaloyannis in Anopoli.  I have been wading through the Interkriti site and it has its good/bad points, in fact information overload.

I have noticed that the site has been quiet recently - any reasons that you can think of?

I will be in Plakias on June 28th @ 7pm (hopefully) If anyone is there I will be the one wearing obscure Greek/Cretan revolutionary designs on my T-shirts ie Ierou Lochou, Independence flag etc.

My beloved has stopped me having a tattoo of the twin headed eagle of Byzantium on my arm - basically saying I have reached the age where I am now regressing, perhaps she is right.  My colleagues at work state I should live there (Crete) this is something that we are considering.  I have had enough of IT, and living in England is now becoming virtually identical with America:- hypermarkets fast food, traffic and stress and leaders who should read more.

I know Crete is not as is was in the 60s but it is still beautiful.


Hale and farewell
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Can't say why the site has been quiet lately.  My best guess is that we've probably already answered most of the questions new visitors might ask.  It comes and goes.  I'm sure that if a hot topic was to start you'd find people contributing.  You can see from the list of members who've logged in every day that all the regulars check in.

Have you looked at the calendar to see who might be there at the same time as you?
Title: A Place In Greece
Post by: Ali & Dave on April 05, 2005, 11:09:28 AM
One of the things I find amazing are people who have moved to Crete (not just Plakias and not just British) who do not like the Greeks.  Makes you wonder why they don't just stay in their own countries!!  On the subject of where to find land etc, I will try and get a list together of agents from some friends who are busy looking at the moment.
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Post by: Grayskull on April 05, 2005, 11:38:26 AM
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One of the things I find amazing are people who have moved to Crete (not just Plakias and not just British) who do not like the Greeks.  Makes you wonder why they don't just stay in their own countries!!  On the subject of where to find land etc, I will try and get a list together of agents from some friends who are busy looking at the moment.
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Hello Ali/Dave Jim Kennedy here, I'm in Souda Bay....pierside 3rd time now...Haven't been out on town expenses, lack of a map..All poor excuses for not going farther out into Cret. I have enjoyed several bike rides, 1 up to the top above the fuel base...got out past (forgive my lack of memory & spelling) past ARONI ?? I  love the area, but limited to be w/ others when out in town. As well as I 'm to be safe an secure at the times of your beautiful sunsets. I'm a 46 yr ol fool an I have to be home when  the street lights come on ???  Well thats what it feels like anyway......I got in a 2hr jog yesturday around the area...The US Navy may have to drag me away when its again time to  leave....They have to catch me first..  The disgruntled feelings about Greec and yet moving here....."All I know is when I pack my things my issues....always sneak into the luggage... Damn it "
Regardless those people probably aren't happy anywhere.....that unhappiness goes where ever they hang their hat.  
I........... Love your country and your people. Jim
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Post by: Daskaloyannis on April 05, 2005, 01:29:03 PM
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One of the things I find amazing are people who have moved to Crete (not just Plakias and not just British) who do not like the Greeks.  Makes you wonder why they don't just stay in their own countries!!  On the subject of where to find land etc, I will try and get a list together of agents from some friends who are busy looking at the moment.
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This is true,  why anyone would want to stay in Greece who hates the Greeks is beyond my comprehension, maybe they should consider Spain or France.  Or perhaps they are the type of people who want to make a cheap buck out of the Greeks for living in their country.  I think this is the case- they want luxury accomodation but want a cheap price, Spain is now too expensive so these paracites have now focused on Greece.  Look at the chaos in Cyprus because some British people bought "bargains" only then to find out the land/house was originally owned by a Greek family - do they live on Mars?

I hope the majority of people who move to Crete will appreciate the people and Country, best to ignore property developers.
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Post by: Ali & Dave on April 05, 2005, 03:30:43 PM
Daskaloyannis, I think you got the situation correct completely.  I know there are many people who want to live here because the country and people are excellent, unfortunately we also have the others.

Jim, pleased to hear you are having a good time, keep those pedals goings.

Ali