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Ostraco's Bar => Gossip => Topic started by: George on August 10, 2006, 08:23:11 AM
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Considering the news this morning, I wish everyone who is travelling out from now on the best of luck!
It's going to feel a bit odd walking round the airport without a bag!
More info on the BBC News page.
george g...
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eh? whats this about the hand luggage? Im going to Heraklion on the 15th
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eh? whats this about the hand luggage? Im going to Heraklion on the 15th
Possibly without your handbag Laura!!
Or much else
george g...
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no hand luggage??????? but theres stuff you need with you on the plane. No-one has informed us about this
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no hand luggage??????? but theres stuff you need with you on the plane. No-one has informed us about this
Check out the links Laura, all the info you'll need is there.
It's been on the news since 5.30 this morning
Might be a good time to become a 'Far Ender', then you won't need any luggage
IMHO It's for the best!
george g...
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here is the full version
Following this morning's police action, security at all UK airports has been increased and additional security measures have been put in place for all flights.
With immediate effect, the following arrangements apply to all passengers starting their journey at a UK airport and to those transferring between flights at a UK airport.
All cabin baggage must be processed as hold baggage and carried in the hold of passenger aircraft departing UK airports.
Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:
* pocket size wallets and pocket size purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards, identity cards etc (not handbags));
* travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports and travel tickets);
* prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic.
* spectacles and sunglasses, without cases.
* contact lens holders, without bottles of solution.
* for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags).
* female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes).
* tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs
* keys (but no electrical key fobs)
All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be x-ray screened.
Pushchairs and walking aids must be x-ray screened, and only airport-provided wheelchairs may pass through the screening point.
In addition to the above, all passengers boarding flights to the USA and all the items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, must be subjected to secondary search at the boarding gate. Any liquids discovered must be removed from the passenger.
There are no changes to current hold baggage security measures.
Regrettably, significant delays at airports are inevitable. Passengers are being asked to allow themselves plenty of extra time and to ensure that other than the few permitted items listed above, all their belongings are placed in their hold baggage and checked in.
These additional security measures will make travel more difficult for passengers, particularly at such a busy time of the year. But they are necessary and will continue to keep flights from UK airports properly secure. We hope that these measures, which are being kept under review by the Government, will need to be in place for a limited period only. In light of the threat to aviation and the need to respond to it, we are asking the travelling public to be patient and understanding and to cooperate fully with airport security staff and the police.
If passengers have any questions on their travel arrangements or security in place at airports they should contact their airline or carrier.
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Hi people!
Don't worry! All this caos is probably due to high level alert for these days, but will go down next days... (I hope for you!). I think that for the end of August, there will be no problems at all for the flights TO CRETE.
In fact, the alert occours mainly only for the flights to the USA.
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In fact, the alert occours mainly only for the flights to the USA.
The alert may be re flights to the USA but the restrictions apply to ALL flights originating in the UK
John R
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In view of todays trouble we have been reminded by our friend that when she went to Bulgaria in May they decided to put camcorder in the hold luggage. On arrival at hotel they found the camcorder have been taken from the case.In view of this she said if you can get your case shrink wrapped it will hopefully deter baggage handlers.
Unfortunately, they could not claim from the airline, home insurance or travel insurance, so they lost £1,000
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One for Harribobs maybe ?
What happens now with the luggage allowance, one was allowed 5 kg for in flight luggage and 20 kg for the cargo hold, will we now be allowed 25 kg in the hold ?
we've had no instructions yet, as you can imagine yesterday was a bit hairy
i imagine that you'll be allowed the extra but.......
as for shrink-wrapping your luggage, i can see the advantage but it marks your case out from the rest without giving any real extra security, you can buy pacsafe covers which are steel mesh, but again it marks out your bag
i, for one, will be certainly be changing my travel insurance so my camera is covered for traveling in the hold
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pacsafe
Pacsafe Webpage (http://www.pac-safe.com/www/index.php?_room=3&_action=detail&id=49)
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as usual...... we are being told nothing more than you can read in the papers
so to summarise, the alert status is being downgraded and airports will be allowing one item of hand luggage by tomorrow ( some airports today)
from the BBC site
For those allowed to take hand luggage on board, the dimensions of this item must not exceed a maximum length of 45cm, width of 35cm and depth of 16cm (17.7"x13.7"x6.2" approx) including wheels, handles, side pockets, etc.
Other bags, such as handbags, may be carried within the single item of cabin baggage. All items carried by passengers will be screened by X-ray.
No liquids of any type are permitted through the airport security search point, other than the following items:
* Prescription medicines in liquid form sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), as long as verified as authentic.
* Baby milk and liquid baby food (the contents of each bottle or jar must be tasted by the accompanying passenger).
The definition of liquids includes gels, pastes, lotions, liquid/solid mixtures and the contents of pressurised containers, eg toothpaste, hair gel, drinks, soups, syrups, perfume, deodorant, shaving foam, aerosols etc.
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That's exactly what the DfT site is showing at the moment Chris.
Link
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_...out_612280.hcsp (http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_about/documents/page/dft_about_612280.hcsp)
george g...
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That's exactly what the DfT site is showing at the moment Chris.
Link
[url]http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_...out_612280.hcsp[/url] ([url]http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_about/documents/page/dft_about_612280.hcsp[/url])
george g...
interesting bit in there that i'd missed
"All laptops and large electrical items (e.g. large hairdryer) must be removed from the bag and placed in a tray so that such items neither obscure nor are obscured by the bag."
that's put my mind at rest somewhat, if you can take a laptop, you'll be able to take a camera
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Me too!
I've just bought a Camcorder and didn't fancy putting that in the hold.
george g...
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Me too!
I've just bought a Camcorder and didn't fancy putting that in the hold.
george g...
Same here, George.
Yvonne
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Me too!
I've just bought a Camcorder and didn't fancy putting that in the hold.
george g...
Same here, George.
Yvonne
and i've got a new camera body as well! :'(
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It should be noted that not all airports are going to implement the new baggage arrangements immediatly.
If you are travelling within the next day or so (as we are) it may be wise to stick to the clear plastic bag - just in case.
Pete
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I don't know whether this is of any help as I don't know which airport you use! but....
"Airport operator BAA said the new rules on hand luggage, which will allow passengers to take certain items on board, should have come into force at its airports at Stansted, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen from noon on Monday.
Southampton airport confirmed on Monday that it has implemented the changes. But BAA said the relaxed rules would not be implemented at Heathrow and Gatwick until Tuesday.
The company says it will need to brief its thousands of security staff, who will not be aware of the change because it was announced overnight. "
Manchester Airport has implemented the changes as of 9am today
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the new hand luggage size from the bbc site
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41432000/gif/_41432513_max_luggage_203x230.gif)
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A bit more info from the 'Gatwick' site:
'Further passenger information
Before security: all shops and catering outlets are open to all passengers. Hand baggage is now allowed BUT any liquids and gels must be packed into your luggage for check-in. Any other purchases must fit into your hand luggage.
Once through security: all shops and catering outlets are open to all passengers. If you are travelling to any destination except the USA then you can take all items purchased in the departures lounge into the aircraft cabin. All passengers boarding flights to the USA are not permitted to take any liquid or gel items into the aircraft cabin. For further details on the new cabin bag requirements, additional restrictions for passengers travelling to the USA and the latest status of each airport, please select the relevant airport below, where more detailed information will be posted throughout the day:
george g...
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i hope they get the luggage problem sorted out
"Meanwhile, some reports suggest as many as 20,000 passenger bags may have been displaced at Heathrow since Thursday.
BA, which said the bulk of misplaced luggage would have belonged to its passengers, said it was still trying to get 5,000 bags to their owners by road or air. "
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i hope they get the luggage problem sorted out
"Meanwhile, some reports suggest as many as 20,000 passenger bags may have been displaced at Heathrow since Thursday.
BA, which said the bulk of misplaced luggage would have belonged to its passengers, said it was still trying to get 5,000 bags to their owners by road or air. "
Our friends have just come back from Eygpt on the return flight on the plane that had to land in Italy.On arriving home they have found that 3 battery charges that had been put into suitcases have gone missing. One for game boy the other two for mobile phones.
They also said it was absolute carnage at Gatwick with a lot of other suitcases just lying all over the place broken and ripped.They had to wait one and half hours for the cases to be put onto carousels.Nobody seem very bothered about getting things sorted out.
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Ali,
Is there any sign at Hania airport of the kind of draconian restrictions on hand luggage that The Times (Sat Aug 19th) said Greek airports have now imposed? This was the same as the first few days in the UK after Aug 10 and was only tickets, keys, money, passports, etc in a clear plastic bag.
Mike
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i hope they get the luggage problem sorted out
"Meanwhile, some reports suggest as many as 20,000 passenger bags may have been displaced at Heathrow since Thursday.
BA, which said the bulk of misplaced luggage would have belonged to its passengers, said it was still trying to get 5,000 bags to their owners by road or air. "
Our friends have just come back from Eygpt on the return flight on the plane that had to land in Italy.On arriving home they have found that 3 battery charges that had been put into suitcases have gone missing. One for game boy the other two for mobile phones.
They also said it was absolute carnage at Gatwick with a lot of other suitcases just lying all over the place broken and ripped.They had to wait one and half hours for the cases to be put onto carousels.Nobody seem very bothered about getting things sorted out.
My friend has now been told by her insurance company who is Nat West that she cannot claim for the battery charges that had been put into the suitcase.
So be aware of what you are packing and what you are covered for if anything.!!
Chris (Harribobs) referring back to your picture on how we should travel, this may be not be so far off!!
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New hand luggage restrictions is new to me. Been up to Xania today and no new rules. Maybe they are just being slow to implement. I guess the best thing is to be prepared and comply with suggested new regulations.
Ali
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New hand luggage restrictions is new to me. Been up to Xania today and no new rules. Maybe they are just being slow to implement. I guess the best thing is to be prepared and comply with suggested new regulations.
Ali
Does that mean No hand luggage at all or didn't they even implement that?
Rowena & Carl
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Does that mean No hand luggage at all or didn't they even implement that?
Rowena & Carl
that was only UK airports for a short time
we are going to stick with the small hand luggage per the UK instructions ( but a couple of carrier bags of oil etc from the duty free! )
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Does that mean No hand luggage at all or didn't they even implement that?
Rowena & Carl
that was only UK airports for a short time
we are going to stick with the small hand luggage per the UK instructions ( but a couple of carrier bags of oil etc from the duty free! )
Latest DFT information:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_...out_612280.hcsp (http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_about/documents/page/dft_about_612280.hcsp)
george g...
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we are going to stick with the small hand luggage per the UK instructions ( but a couple of carrier bags of oil etc from the duty free! )
Does anyone know if the Crete airports allow olive oil and honey (our annual topup) to be taken through security. Obviously nothing like that through the UK airport security !!!. We always get given very local Plakias olive oil and refusing it could be problematic unless I know that I cannot take it through. The duty free stuff somehow doesn't have the same appeal. No complaints - I'm all for high security but it would be useful to know.
John R
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i hope they get the luggage problem sorted out
"Meanwhile, some reports suggest as many as 20,000 passenger bags may have been displaced at Heathrow since Thursday.
BA, which said the bulk of misplaced luggage would have belonged to its passengers, said it was still trying to get 5,000 bags to their owners by road or air. "
Our friends have just come back from Eygpt on the return flight on the plane that had to land in Italy.On arriving home they have found that 3 battery charges that had been put into suitcases have gone missing. One for game boy the other two for mobile phones.
They also said it was absolute carnage at Gatwick with a lot of other suitcases just lying all over the place broken and ripped.They had to wait one and half hours for the cases to be put onto carousels.Nobody seem very bothered about getting things sorted out.
My friend has now been told by her insurance company who is Nat West that she cannot claim for the battery charges that had been put into the suitcase.
So be aware of what you are packing and what you are covered for if anything.!!
Chris (Harribobs) referring back to your picture on how we should travel, this may be not be so far off!!
You do not say why your friend's claim has been declined. If it is because packing the items in the hold baggage was in breach of a policy condition, I suggest:
Write to the insurer;
Put "COMPLAINT" at the top of the letter.
Make sure the policy number is quoted in the heading;
Write the first sentence as "Please accept this letter as a formal complaint within the meaning of the regulation of your firm by the Financial Services Authority and the requirements of the Financial Ombudsman.";
Then quote their declining language and state that in the circumstances of the heightened security requirements, the policy condition is unreasonable and they should not rely upon it and you look forward to settlement of your claim;
Keep a copy of the letter.
The FSA rules require all complaints to be entered into a register, acknowledged quickly and resolved in a period (I think it is eight weeks). Failures can result in heavy fines.
The resolution may be that they maintain the declinature, but then the complaint can be taken to the Financial Ombudsman. A complaint form can be downloaded, or completed online at
www.financial_ombudsman.org.uk/consumer/form/complaint_form.doc
For fairly minor claims, the insurer will normally find it easier to make an offer to close the complaint than go through all the regulatory hoops and then deal with an ombudsman office which has a reputation for trying to find every reason to support a consumer against a commercial entity.
Two years ago, we were about to be called for a flight from Norita (Tokyo) to Brisbane when my wife found the diamond from a ring had fallen out. This could have happened anywhere from Heathrow, where she saw the stone when putting the ring between her teeth before washing her hands, and the Norita departure lounge. The repair cost was £350, the policy excess being £100.
The insurer said I was in breach of the condition that all losses must be reportrd to the police.
I sent such a letter saying to report the loss we would have had to return airside, lose our APEX tickets, book into a hotel and pay for regular replacement tickets, all of which would far exceed the loss. The condition is obviously intended to deter fraud, but I was not looking for a cash settlement, only a repair.
Within two weeks they sent me a cheque for £350, not even deducting the excess!
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i hope they get the luggage problem sorted out
"Meanwhile, some reports suggest as many as 20,000 passenger bags may have been displaced at Heathrow since Thursday.
BA, which said the bulk of misplaced luggage would have belonged to its passengers, said it was still trying to get 5,000 bags to their owners by road or air. "
Our friends have just come back from Eygpt on the return flight on the plane that had to land in Italy.On arriving home they have found that 3 battery charges that had been put into suitcases have gone missing. One for game boy the other two for mobile phones.
They also said it was absolute carnage at Gatwick with a lot of other suitcases just lying all over the place broken and ripped.They had to wait one and half hours for the cases to be put onto carousels.Nobody seem very bothered about getting things sorted out.
My friend has now been told by her insurance company who is Nat West that she cannot claim for the battery charges that had been put into the suitcase.
So be aware of what you are packing and what you are covered for if anything.!!
Chris (Harribobs) referring back to your picture on how we should travel, this may be not be so far off!!
You do not say why your friend's claim has been declined. If it is because packing the items in the hold baggage was in breach of a policy condition, I suggest:
Write to the insurer;
Put "COMPLAINT" at the top of the letter.
Make sure the policy number is quoted in the heading;
Write the first sentence as "Please accept this letter as a formal complaint within the meaning of the regulation of your firm by the Financial Services Authority and the requirements of the Financial Ombudsman.";
Then quote their declining language and state that in the circumstances of the heightened security requirements, the policy condition is unreasonable and they should not rely upon it and you look forward to settlement of your claim;
Keep a copy of the letter.
The FSA rules require all complaints to be entered into a register, acknowledged quickly and resolved in a period (I think it is eight weeks). Failures can result in heavy fines.
The resolution may be that they maintain the declinature, but then the complaint can be taken to the Financial Ombudsman. A complaint form can be downloaded, or completed online at
www.financial_ombudsman.org.uk/consumer/form/complaint_form.doc
For fairly minor claims, the insurer will normally find it easier to make an offer to close the complaint than go through all the regulatory hoops and then deal with an ombudsman office which has a reputation for trying to find every reason to support a consumer against a commercial entity.
Two years ago, we were about to be called for a flight from Norita (Tokyo) to Brisbane when my wife found the diamond from a ring had fallen out. This could have happened anywhere from Heathrow, where she saw the stone when putting the ring between her teeth before washing her hands, and the Norita departure lounge. The repair cost was £350, the policy excess being £100.
The insurer said I was in breach of the condition that all losses must be reportrd to the police.
I sent such a letter saying to report the loss we would have had to return airside, lose our APEX tickets, book into a hotel and pay for regular replacement tickets, all of which would far exceed the loss. The condition is obviously intended to deter fraud, but I was not looking for a cash settlement, only a repair.
Within two weeks they sent me a cheque for £350, not even deducting the excess!
Thanks for this advice Mike I will pass it on to my friend.
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Latest information from Monarch:
http://www.flymonarch.com/cnt/news/index.asp?headlineID=733 (http://www.flymonarch.com/cnt/news/index.asp?headlineID=733)
Nice to see they've upped the hold allowance to 25kg
Anyone know anything about the return flight from Heraklion?
george g...
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Latest information from Monarch
Nice to see they've upped the hold allowance to 25kg
Anyone know anything about the return flight from Heraklion?
george g...
that's good news
roger and ostraco are back next week hopefully they will be able to update us
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Is this the answer to our luggage problems?
http://LINK (http://LINK)
george...
Link didn't work, try this:
http://www.rufusroo.com/ (http://www.rufusroo.com/)
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Um It's a joke, yes?
Yvonne
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Um It's a joke, yes?
Yvonne
No! As far as I know it's totally legit!
george...
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It's 2012 and it's the Olympics in London.
A Scotsman, an Englishman and an Irishman want to get in, but they haven't
got tickets.
The Scotsman picks up a manhole-cover, tucks it under his arm and walks to
the gate.
"McTavish, Scotland," he says, "Discus," and in he walks.
The Englishman picks up a length of scaffolding and slings it over his
shoulder.
"Waddington-Smythe, England," he says, "Pole vault," and in he walks.
The Irishman looks around, picks up a roll of barbed wire and tucks it
under his arm.
"O'Malley, Ireland," he says,
"Fencing."
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So the Big Brother house has Jedward and a swimming pool. Where is Barrymore when you need him?
Barny.
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A woman's dog is drowning in the sea. A passing German dwarf dives in, pulls out the dog,resuscitates it and saves its life.
"Are you a little vet"? asked the woman.
"A little vet"? said the German dwarf.
"I'm f@@@@ng soaked" !
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My doctor has just diagnosed me with colourblindness.
It hit me like a bolt out of the grey.