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Plakias => PlakChat => Topic started by: Greecemad on July 02, 2007, 09:18:56 PM
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Compare these 2 photos (I don't know how to get them side by side):
(http://mysite.orange.co.uk/greecemadphotos/Plakias1990.jpg)
(http://mysite.orange.co.uk/greecemadphotos/Picture204.jpg)
With all the greenery along the front now, you can't see much of what's behind.
Apart from anything else, you can see where the fire was. I wasn't there last year so I didn't see the blackened bits.
Greecemad
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when was the first pic taken?
i'm actually surprised at the lack of change
did you see the pics from the 70's ?
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The first pic was taken in 1990. The year it was taken was the subject of a quiz on the board a year or so ago. I have seen the pictures taken in the 70s (it was I that found them and posted the link), but my memory of Plakias doesn't go back so far.
The village itself hasn't changed a great deal since 1990, but I think it must have changed a lot in the 80s. What has changed is:
There is a lot more development at the back and outside the village.
There is more tarmac. The only road around Plakias that had tarmac was the road out of the village towards Rethymnon.
There are a lot more cars. There used to be more buses and they were full to bursting - a lot of people arrived on the bus with rucksacks. I remember that one morning there were more people than could physically fit on the bus - I don't know whether anyone missed their flight or not. I think the average age of tourists was a lot lower.
There are a lot more parasols/sunbeds. In fact, I don't think there were any at all, but that could have been because it was late April/early May.
There were still some people sleeping on the beach, and in the dunes behind the far end.
A lot of the accommodation in and around Plakias was block-booked by SunMed, so there were a lot of Brits around and most of the rest were German.
The post office was a summer-only yellow wooden hut, about opposite where the souvlaki bar is. It was one of the places where travellers cheques could be changed into drachmas (no ATMs or euro, of course).
You could sunbathe nude at both ends of Damnoni - there was no Hapimag. You could also swim nude at Preveli and anywhere on Souda beach.
Lots of people used to walk through the olive groves to Damnoni and Micro Ammoudhi. These days you can do the walk and not see anyone else walking.
Greecemad
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My In-Laws went to Plakias in the early 70's and went back again after we had been there a couple of times in the early 90's. Their opinion was that the atmoshere was very much the same as it was, but obviously there have been changes, which they said didn't effect the place.
I think they're considering another visit for next year.
The magnet still works after all this time.
george g...
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its the amount of czechs that I noticed as the biggist change this year, along with the huge hotel towards the back of the village......first time I've been back in 5 years. I suppose if you go every year the changes are more subtle.
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My In-Laws went to Plakias in the early 70's
Do they have any pictures?
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My In-Laws went to Plakias in the early 70's
Do they have any pictures?
I sent him one of the old pics you posted, and asked him if he had any of the 70's, waiting for him to get back.
If he has any I'll post them
george g...
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My In-Laws went to Plakias in the early 70's
Do they have any pictures?
I sent him one of the old pics you posted, and asked him if he had any of the 70's, waiting for him to get back.
If he has any I'll post them
george g...
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My In-Laws went to Plakias in the early 70's
Do they have any pictures?
I sent him one of the old pics you posted, and asked him if he had any of the 70's, waiting for him to get back.
If he has any I'll post them
george g...
I spoke to them over the w/e and they're coming over from the I.O.W. next w/e with two 'volumes' of their early nineties stay, unfortunately they don't have any earlier ones.
I'll check them out over the w/e and if any of them are any good I'll post them next week.
george g...
sorry about that, I hit something twice!!
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Has anyone seen Preveli beach looking like this:
(http://mysite.orange.co.uk/greecemadphotos/Preveli.jpg)
In the trees behind the beach there was a very large bamboo structure that must have left behind by the hippies.
Greecemad
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Has anyone seen Preveli beach looking like this:
Yes, in 2006 at about 07:30 on a late September day.
No-one else there.
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Pics from the in-laws, these are evidently from 1991, but I have a feeling they might be earlier:
[attachment=472:Plakias1991_2.JPG]
[attachment=471:Plakias1991_1.JPG]
The Forum without a palm tree??
george g...
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How about this.......[attachment=475:Plakias_..._May_050.jpg]
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Good one, where is this hanging and when was it taken??
Even the Alianthos is missing!!
george g...
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Good one, where is this hanging and when was it taken??
Even the Alianthos is missing!!
george g...
Hi George
I cannot take credit for the photo as it was taken by friends who have recently jouned the forum.......but I will find out. I understand though that it was taken in the 1960's
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Pics from the in-laws, these are evidently from 1991, but I have a feeling they might be earlier:
[attachment=472:Plakias1991_2.JPG]
[attachment=471:Plakias1991_1.JPG]
The Forum without a palm tree??
george g...
Very interesting, George. Thanks for posting them.
I am not convinced they were taken at the same time - if you look closely there's some orange rope at the bottom of the first picture that is not there on the second. Also, there's some water that doesn't match up, and I think the boat is higher up in the second picture.
The 2nd pic is definitely after my 1990 pic as the sea wall is finished, so it could well be 1991. This pic solves a puzzle for me. In my pic there looks to be a building under constrcution beyond the Livikon, which I thought was the Forum. But I don't remember the Forum shop not being there. Your pic shows the Forum shop open but the 2nd storeys on this building and the one next to it are empty. There used to be a lot of buildings like this in Greece, many of them just concrete pillars, floors and staircases.
The 1st pic could be older, or maybe this part of the sea wall was not built at the same time. I don't think is much older, though. The yellow hut opposite the souvlaki bar was the post office. It all looks pretty scruffy compared to nowadays.
Greecemad
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Good one, where is this hanging and when was it taken??
Even the Alianthos is missing!!
george g...
Hi George
I cannot take credit for the photo as it was taken by friends who have recently jouned the forum.......but I will find out. I understand though that it was taken in the 1960's
Yes, this is a good one. When I have more time I'm going to enjoy comparing this with more recent photos and google earth to see what I can locate.
Greecemad
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Yes, this is a good one. When I have more time I'm going to enjoy comparing this with more recent photos and google earth to see what I can locate.
Greecemad
Well I've had a go at this, but it's an almost impossible task as I can't find many pointers. You can't see the stream, so cannot locate the position of the bridge, and it looks as though the road out of the village has been straightened out from the original track so you can't identify the line of it.
I think that the road where the chip shop, post office etc now is runs between the leftmost two buildings that you can see on the front on the photograph. The leftmost building is probably the old building that is still there today and doesn't appear to be used for anything. After that there is probably the Lamon hotel, or part of it, Flisvos Rooms and somehwere there is probably the Alianthos Pension (if you look at the 1980s photos on www.plakias.co.uk, Lance Chilton mentions this and I think it forms the seaward bit of the present buildings).
I don't know what the buildings are in the foreground, but the harbour looks to be a hive of activity.
If you can do any better than that, let me know. Hopper might be able to help us.
Greecemad
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How about this.......[attachment=475:Plakias_..._May_050.jpg]
that's pretty amazing!!
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How about this.......[attachment=475:Plakias_..._May_050.jpg]
that's pretty amazing!!
Chris
If you look very closely ..........top right hand corner...........you can see Bouzouki's great great great great great great great grandad.......
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wow love that black n white pic hanging on the wall.
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This photo is from a postcard I photographed last year :-
http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG (http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG)
John R
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This photo is from a postcard I photographed last year :-
[url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url] ([url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url])
John R
Jeepers! Any idea of when the postcard dates from?
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This photo is from a postcard I photographed last year :-
[url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url] ([url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url])
John R
Jeepers! Any idea of when the postcard dates from?
I asked Denis of Livicon and I've forgotten what he said. I do remember it being much later than I would have thought and queried his answer (nothing like arguing with the locals !!). As a result of this "argument" I can't remember now what we were arguing about !! I think he said about 1980 but I thought earlier. Obviously after Livicon was built if anyone knows that date !!
John R
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This photo is from a postcard I photographed last year :-
[url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url] ([url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url])
John R
Jeepers! Any idea of when the postcard dates from?
I asked Denis of Livicon and I've forgotten what he said. I do remember it being much later than I would have thought and queried his answer (nothing like arguing with the locals !!). As a result of this "argument" I can't remember now what we were arguing about !! I think he said about 1980 but I thought earlier. Obviously after Livicon was built if anyone knows that date !!
John R
Looking at the picture I would say around 1980 as we have some friends who's first visit was 1981 & the way the describe it looks simular to the picture. I can't remember exactly when the Livicon was built but in the 60's sometime 69 rings a bell. Stelios (god bless him) did tell me but that was years ago & my memory doesn't always work so well. Will find out for sure
& let you know.
Rowena
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This photo is from a postcard I photographed last year :-
[url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url] ([url]http://www.flute.toucansurf.com/Plakias/PA091864.JPG[/url])
John R
Jeepers! Any idea of when the postcard dates from?
I asked Denis of Livicon and I've forgotten what he said. I do remember it being much later than I would have thought and queried his answer (nothing like arguing with the locals !!). As a result of this "argument" I can't remember now what we were arguing about !! I think he said about 1980 but I thought earlier. Obviously after Livicon was built if anyone knows that date !!
John R
Looking at the picture I would say around 1980 as we have some friends who's first visit was 1981 & the way the describe it looks simular to the picture. I can't remember exactly when the Livicon was built but in the 60's sometime 69 rings a bell. Stelios (god bless him) did tell me but that was years ago & my memory doesn't always work so well. Will find out for sure
& let you know.
Rowena
John,
Another very interesting photograph. If you compare it with Lance Chilton's 1982 photos and his description, there's not a lot of difference, so 1980 is probably about right.
What baffles me now is that is very difficult to reconcile anything on this photo with boxerlover's 1960s shot, so I don't think my identification of anything on that one is correct now. In fact, are we sure that that is Plakias at all?
Greecemad
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What baffles me now is that is very difficult to reconcile anything on this photo with boxerlover's 1960s shot, so I don't think my identification of anything on that one is correct now. In fact, are we sure that that is Plakias at all?
Greecemad
I am absolutely certain that photo from Boxerlover is Plakias. I have printed it out and stared a lot at it. I understand that Livicon was the first (modern ??) building in Plakias (??) and wonder if the nearest building along the beach on that photo is Livicon or Livicon under construction.
John R
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What baffles me now is that is very difficult to reconcile anything on this photo with boxerlover's 1960s shot, so I don't think my identification of anything on that one is correct now. In fact, are we sure that that is Plakias at all?
Greecemad
I am absolutely certain that photo from Boxerlover is Plakias. I have printed it out and stared a lot at it. I understand that Livicon was the first (modern ??) building in Plakias (??) and wonder if the nearest building along the beach on that photo is Livicon or Livicon under construction.
John R
Anything is possible as it's Greece! If it is Plakias, then I think all the buildings on that photo (Boxerlover's) are between the travel agency in front of the pharmacy, and the Alianthos. A lot must then have been pulled down or changed their shape a lot before 1980. If the Livicon was there, it's possible that it was off the photo to the left.
Another historical fact: I was once told that the ground floor of the Livicon was originally the general store. The first few times I went to Plakias, this was a self-service cafe: I like to go there for breakfast, probably because getting served and trying to pay the bill was very slow everywhere else. The Livicon also sold bus tickets - there was a sign at the bus stop that read something like "Get your tickets before you get in the bus", pointing at the Livicon.
Greecemad
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This is my first attempt at attaching anything...fingers crossed...here goes...
[attachment=485:IMG.jpg]
That was a nerve-wracking experience!
Copies of the above photo (pity it's come out so small) were handed out at this year's Festival of the Sea in Plakias. Is this the oldest image of the village we have on the forum?
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Is this the oldest image of the village we have on the forum?
Noopsy,
It definitely is. I might even be the oldest photograph of the village that there is anywhere. What surprises me is that there are any buildings at all behind the beach. I would have thought that in those days the only buildings would be at the port which I thought was the oldest part. There must have been two parts to the village for a long time - the bit around the port and then the bit around where the Livikon and Alianthos now are.
Greecemad
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Is this the oldest image of the village we have on the forum?
Noopsy,
It definitely is. I might even be the oldest photograph of the village that there is anywhere. What surprises me is that there are any buildings at all behind the beach. I would have thought that in those days the only buildings would be at the port which I thought was the oldest part. There must have been two parts to the village for a long time - the bit around the port and then the bit around where the Livikon and Alianthos now are.
Greecemad
Wonderful photo
Yes - that is what surprised me as well. I thought a census in even more recent times than 1928 indicated only about 6 people actually living in Plakias. A larger number of people are easily explained by the proximity of Selia but there do seem to be a lot of buildings for about 6 people.
John R
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Yes - that is what surprised me as well. I thought a census in even more recent times than 1928 indicated only about 6 people actually living in Plakias. A larger number of people are easily explained by the proximity of Selia but there do seem to be a lot of buildings for about 6 people.
John R
Having the authorities know you exist can result in nasty things like taxation and worse, so I don't think I would put too much faith in old census returns.
Mike
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Yes - that is what surprised me as well. I thought a census in even more recent times than 1928 indicated only about 6 people actually living in Plakias. A larger number of people are easily explained by the proximity of Selia but there do seem to be a lot of buildings for about 6 people.
John R
Having the authorities know you exist can result in nasty things like taxation and worse, so I don't think I would put too much faith in old census returns.
Mike
A bit of (educated) guesswork, on my part but (in the days before the internal combustion engine was commonplace) ....
A lot of island resorts are built around "fishing villages" which were traditionally inhabited during the months when the sea was calmest. The fishing families (menfolk) moved down to the beach for the season and used basic homes (a bed room and outside kitchen).
The alternative is the Stalis/Stalida model - farming families move down onto the plain to take care of the crops, in season.
{Digression: if "horta" is the root word for "horticulture", how come "horta" is translated as "wild greens"?}
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A bit of (educated) guesswork, on my part but (in the days before the internal combustion engine was commonplace) ....
A lot of island resorts are built around "fishing villages" which were traditionally inhabited during the months when the sea was calmest. The fishing families (menfolk) moved down to the beach for the season and used basic homes (a bed room and outside kitchen).
The alternative is the Stalis/Stalida model - farming families move down onto the plain to take care of the crops, in season.
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Think this is about right; in Plak in the early 90's we spent a lot of time in the bar/restaurant above the Forum (with the oval bar everyone sat round and chatted) and an older man (who knew a lot more about Crete's involvement than we then had a clue about!) was asking them about the war; one of the barmen talked about his grandad's involvement, I can remember him saying something to the effect that 'no-one actually lived here then, you understand it was just a fishing village, not where families lived - everyone had land and their olive trees further up the gorge'.
There still was (he said) locally a great distrust/dislike of anyone German - and certainly this was quite clearly demonstrated by the behaviour of quite a young girl at the Alianthos re car hire one day, when she insisted speaking English to a poor German bloke although she clearly understood what he was saying/asking her in his native tongue. And she did what the Brits used to do everywhere ie when he didn't understand she just spoke louder and with such a condescending inflection - although it was quite funny (cos he was getting very cross) - I did actually feel quite sorry for the chap!
Oh, and I forgot to say, the pics on all the adverts for Preveli beach in the early 1990's showed more or less that view and as long as you could get there reasonably early (first boat LOL) you could still go nude on the beach then, on the far right (looking from the sea). It was a relief to go there and not be sandblasted ! (August)
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[attachment=494:plak1.jpg][attachment=495:plak.jpg]
Where's this?
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[attachment=494:plak1.jpg][attachment=495:plak.jpg]
Where's this?
Pictures from the web site of the Plakias Taxi Company owned by Zacharias Zourbakis.
One is of plakias promanade and the other I think is the gorge after Asomatos
http://www.taxi4you.gr/overall.asp?lang=uk (http://www.taxi4you.gr/overall.asp?lang=uk)
Tony
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i'll have to come forward a few years, well to the present actually, here's a pic of something that's changed recently
(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/189424520-M.jpg)
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Is it just as you come into Giannou from the Preveli end. I remember there was a washing area there, although that had a stone roof.
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i'll have to come forward a few years, well to the present actually, here's a pic of something that's changed recently
They've made a nice job of that laundry at Mirthios (or should that be Mythos ).
John R
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Yes,
Mirthios , Mythos its all the same in the end!! they have done it up well, what's it used for now?
Barny.
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i don't really think it's being used as anything but they've certainly made it a very pleasant place to visit and perhaps take a few minutes
(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/189424534-M.jpg)
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i don't really think it's being used as anything but they've certainly made it a very pleasant place to visit and perhaps take a few minutes
([url]http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/189424534-M.jpg[/url])
4 changes have been introduced to this picture, can anyone spot them?
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Lamp Missing, Rucksac Missing, Shadow missing and it's been lightened (if that's one of them).
george g...
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Lamp Missing, Rucksac Missing, Shadow missing and it's been lightened (if that's one of them).
george g...
He..he..h.e..h.e..h.e.he... the last one needs a bit more effort ! you got the first three right but there is another one!
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The metal fence looks different to the left of the lamp post?
Barny.
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Lamp Missing, Rucksac Missing, Shadow missing and it's been lightened (if that's one of them).
george g...
He..he..h.e..h.e..h.e.he... the last one needs a bit more effort ! you got the first three right but there is another one!
You re-shaped the shorts.
Mike
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Lamp Missing, Rucksac Missing, Shadow missing and it's been lightened (if that's one of them).
george g...
He..he..h.e..h.e..h.e.he... the last one needs a bit more effort ! you got the first three right but there is another one!
You re-shaped the shorts.
Mike
Not that they didn't need reshaping
george g...
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Lamp Missing, Rucksac Missing, Shadow missing and it's been lightened (if that's one of them).
george g...
He..he..h.e..h.e..h.e.he... the last one needs a bit more effort ! you got the first three right but there is another one!
You re-shaped the shorts.
Mike
Not that they didn't need reshaping
george g...
Yeap correct , the shorts on the right leg are an inch longer ! (what you can do with paint !!!!!!! )
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if you want to really go for it....
photoshop CS is the business
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/1279816900_4dc62c036d_b.jpg)
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You never told us you were one of a set of quads!
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You never told us you were one of a set of quads!
i wouldn't mind if they helped out from time to time!
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Oh, my god there's four of 'em
george g...