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Offline Barny

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« on: September 08, 2011, 01:13:18 PM »

A Cretan sails to Greece and says to some Greek men who are standing upon the shore: "All Cretans are liars." Did he speak the truth, or did he lie?

A week later, the Cretan sailed to Greece again and said: "All Cretans are liars and all I say is the truth." Although the Greeks on the shore weren't aware of what he had said the first time, they were truly puzzled.

If someone says "I always lie", are they telling the truth? Or are they lying?

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 04:23:24 PM »
Quote from: Barny
A Cretan sails to Greece and says to some Greek men who are standing upon the shore: "All Cretans are liars." Did he speak the truth, or did he lie?

A week later, the Cretan sailed to Greece again and said: "All Cretans are liars and all I say is the truth." Although the Greeks on the shore weren't aware of what he had said the first time, they were truly puzzled.

If someone says "I always lie", are they telling the truth? Or are they lying?

                  Barny.


Barny have you been at the Raki again?
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 06:53:03 PM »
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Barny have you been at the Raki again?

Must be, now he thinks he is Epimenides. Its a paradox I tell you

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 09:34:09 PM »
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Barny have you been at the Raki again?

Must be, now he thinks he is Epimenides. Its a paradox I tell you  



Tell that to Eubilides. He may believe it , he may not.

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 09:14:36 AM »
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Barny have you been at the Raki again?

Must be, now he thinks he is Epimenides. Its a paradox I tell you  



Tell that to Eubilides. He may believe it , he may not.


If we are talking Philosophy there is no mention of Epimenides or Raki in here!


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Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boosey beggar who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out-consume Shoppenhauer and Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as schloshed as Schloegel.
There's nothin' Neitzche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raisin' of the wrist;
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed!

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, after half a pint of shard was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whiskey every day.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, Hobbes was fond of his dram.
And René Déscartes was a drunken fart, “I drink therefore I am.”
Yes Socrates, himself, is particularly missed: A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed!
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2011, 12:53:04 PM »
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A Cretan sails to Greece and says to some Greek men who are standing upon the shore: "All Cretans are liars." Did he speak the truth, or did he lie?

A week later, the Cretan sailed to Greece again and said: "All Cretans are liars and all I say is the truth." Although the Greeks on the shore weren't aware of what he had said the first time, they were truly puzzled.

If someone says "I always lie", are they telling the truth? Or are they lying?

                  Barny.
As it stands, I don't see a paradox. Both times the Cretan is lying but this is consistent with the situation where some, but not all Cretans are liars - this one just happens to be one of the liars.